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To be terrified - please help me.

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WhoisRebecca · 07/10/2021 17:13

Dd, 15, has started taking sertraline after being prescribed it by a private psychiatrist. She took an overdose last year and school refused towards the end of last year.

She is now behaving erratically- running into classrooms at school shouting that she’s going to kill herself, but then laughing - her teachers think she seems very hyper and ‘excited.’ She’s running off when teachers challenge her or swearing at them. She was never like that before this year.

At the weekend she went for a walk and texted a charity helpline, saying she had no bed and was going to jump on the train tracks. We had taken her bed apart because a new double bed was coming on Monday. There was a spare bed upstairs for her. Dd knew this. The police arrived and I was able to show them dd’s location - she had tracking on her phone. They quickly assessed that she had a safe home and did, in fact, have a suitable bed. This was a reaction to being told off because she had bullied a student at school.

She was put in isolation at school for a nasty incident towards another student. She can sometimes be loving and calm. At other times she is very very high and erratic. School had to send her home today. She struggles to attend lessons. I don’t know where to go from here and feel utterly desperate.

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cushioncovers · 07/10/2021 19:43

I know of two friends who've reacted badly to sertraline. One friend went 'crazy' on sertraline and had to be admitted to a secure unit. She's ended up taking a med that's primarily for bi polar although as far as I know she hasn't been diagnosed with BP but all the usual AD just made her worse.

Scbchl · 07/10/2021 19:44

Hi Cahms were absolutely useless for us too so completely understand that. It sounds like her dose is too high if its making her hyper. It can take up to 6 weeks for it to settle down but if its not working for her they could always try her on fluoxetine. Sertraline never worked for me at all. However she could also be bipolar, my sister and my cousin are and experienced manic highs and the manic lows and was really hard work when teens until they were on the proper medication but I believe antidepressants can infact make bipolar disorder worse or trigger mania.

Thighdentitycrisis · 07/10/2021 19:45

Sorry this sounds awful for you and Dd

Did you notice any side effects when she was on the initial dose? Perhaps she had some but was masking? Then when she increased that wasn’t possible?

I took Sertraline and it made my anxiety sky high - the doctors kept advising to stick it out as the side effects can reduce after 2-3 months. They prescribed Valium alongside it to try and bring me down a bit but after 7 weeks I discontinued them

I also had a similar response to Prozac years ago too - after Sertraline I will never take another SSRI /SSNRI

I know it’s anecdotal but I also work with CAMHS and Sertraline is the first antaxiolytic that is prescribed and it doesn’t suit everyone

Hopefully she can be reviewed very soon

Livelifetotheful · 07/10/2021 19:45

So sorry for you
Zero suicide alliance website has good ideas
Hope you all get through this soon . Hugs

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 07/10/2021 19:46

I'm autistic and I have peculiar reactions to medications.

Anti-depressants have made me highly agitated and unable to concentrate for more than a few seconds and utterly unable to care for myself. Another anxiety medication made me hyper sensitive and slightly out of touch with reality - I kept having flash backs and not being 100% sure they weren't really happening.

I was terrified I had a psychotic condition or bipolar but I'm diagnosed with autism now and stay away from meds and I'm totally fine.

I would definitely get the meds reviewed but bear in mind that we're all different and some of us can't tolerate them.

Embracelife · 07/10/2021 19:53

Speak to the APRIL charity they caN put you in touch with someone

Embracelife · 07/10/2021 19:53

www.april.org.uk/

AntoinetteCosway · 07/10/2021 19:58

Antidepressants when prescribed to people with bipolar can make them manic. (Obviously not diagnosing her! It’s often under diagnosed though and maybe worth asking about.)

RosesAndHellebores · 07/10/2021 20:05

I feel your concern op. Have been there. Can recommend an excellent London based adolescent psychiatrist if you want to pm me.

I hear you about camhs. Utterly useless and I don't for a minute believe it's all about resourcing.

WhoisRebecca · 07/10/2021 20:09

Thank you- this all feels helpful. Dd is calm in her room. She’s still quite defiant if asked to do something, particularly with my DH, her stepdad. He can ask her to do things like put her rubbish in the bin and she can get angry quite quickly. I think he should lay off for now while I deal with the current situation. I’m going to send her in tomorrow as the missing from home team are speaking to her about her running off from home last week (she was only gone an hour or so, but because I deem her high risk, we called the police ASAP). Then I’ll speak to school about keeping her home next week to give her a break.

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impossible · 07/10/2021 20:16

Good luck with this - you're doing everything right.

WhoisRebecca · 07/10/2021 20:34

Thank you. I don’t really know what I’m doing, but I just have to keep going.

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Knotnowdear · 07/10/2021 20:36

I'm so sorry you are going through this. My DD completely went off the rails at around the age of 14 and was eventually diagnosed with BPD (EUPD).

Your DD doesn't sound quite similar in terms of behaviour but we did have police involved and also suicide attempts/self-harm/drug use (amongst many other coping behaviours).

We ended up with the most amazing adolescent psychiatrist and he's really helped. We went through several cycles to get the medication right over a couple of years, so do ask for a meds review. Also make sure your DD is able to voice how the medication makes her feel, some of the anti-psychotics made my DD feel terrible.

Your poor DD sounds like she's in a really difficult place at the moment and I hope she can get the psychiatric help she needs. I would also see if you can get help with a psychologist to help support her (this is a paraphrase but what my GP told me to do in helping managing DD's BPD).

chocolateisavegetable · 07/10/2021 20:38

Has she suffered from strep throat / tonsillitis / similar? Have a look at this and see if it sounds familiar www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/pandas

Knotnowdear · 07/10/2021 20:38

Actually, seeing your latest post, extreme anger/being triggered very easily is a sign of BPD.

WhoisRebecca · 07/10/2021 20:39

I’m feeling a bit betrayed too. I confided in my aunt and she told me how Dd was bad, has no respect for authority and sounds like she has a personality disorder. Then I found out she had been telling other people about it.

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Happymum12345 · 07/10/2021 20:41

When did she change? Was there a cause/event that made her change?
Extreme anxiety can cause behaviour like this, although it is unusual.
You sound like you’re doing your very best by getting her to see a psychiatrist. She clearly needs a lot of support and endless love, which isn’t always easy when you’re feeling this way.

WhoisRebecca · 07/10/2021 20:42

She’s always been a bit erratic, hyperactive etc. Behaviour at school was always good though. Lockdown hit and she started having friendship issues and then the school refusing began. The behaviour at school started this year.

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Diverseopinions · 07/10/2021 20:43

Does anybody know, or have experience of, which combination of medications work best for bi polar, please? My son hasn't been diagnosed with the condition, but it is in his family background on the paternal side. He has a diagnosis of autism and is 23. It looks to me as if he sometimes experiences mania, but apparently, it is hard to distinguish this from autistic behaviour. Fortunately, the doctor has taken him off the sertraline. I'm not very sure if the quetiapine is a good idea.

I hope that you get the help you need, OP. I'm sorry that CAMHS were not helpful for you.

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 07/10/2021 20:46

CAMHS really don't like to diagnose personality disorders because it's too early to tell and it can be a stigmatising label. I'd second finding a therapist for her to talk to - someone who specialises in teenagers and will have seen it all before.

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 07/10/2021 20:51

@Diverseopinions

Does anybody know, or have experience of, which combination of medications work best for bi polar, please? My son hasn't been diagnosed with the condition, but it is in his family background on the paternal side. He has a diagnosis of autism and is 23. It looks to me as if he sometimes experiences mania, but apparently, it is hard to distinguish this from autistic behaviour. Fortunately, the doctor has taken him off the sertraline. I'm not very sure if the quetiapine is a good idea.

I hope that you get the help you need, OP. I'm sorry that CAMHS were not helpful for you.

No but autism/ bipolar/ schizophrenia can al have overlapping elements that can mimic each other. Some psychiatrists are far less experienced at spotting autism and more used to dealing with bipolar and autism so I would really recommend seeing autism specialists.

I spent most of my twenties and thirties thinking I had bipolar disorder. Honestly I wish I'd never heard of that condition. It blighted my life making decisions based on thinking I was mentally ill when it was autism all along. There isn't any medication for autism per se but people might take it for co-occurring mental health problems like anxiety and depression.

Aussiegirl88 · 07/10/2021 20:51

My 15 year old daughter has turned into something nasty. Lying and manipulative, making trouble for others at school. However she had a traumatic event last year when she was horrifically assaulted walking home by 2 older girls who are now in prison but she changed and o don't know how to change her back. I'm sorry I don't have anything to offer in terms of resolution but has anything happened to cause this? Anything in her life traumatic or someone close to her? I'm assuming there is which is why the need for the anti anxiety/depressant meds.perhaps change of medication. After our daughters assault my husband and myself were both pit on medication to help us with the ptsd

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 07/10/2021 20:52

*Bipolar than autism

Knotnowdear · 07/10/2021 20:52

@WhoisRebecca This is probably a difficult thing to say, but I lost just about every school and sports friends once DD started to show signs of a personality disorder.

That's more about them than DD but people just didn't want to know because she was the 'bad girl'.

WhoisRebecca · 07/10/2021 20:53

Dd was sexually assaulted by a boy she knew last year. That may have triggered this.

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