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Our government doesn't know what misogyny is.

128 replies

Penfield · 06/10/2021 14:58

Well - Dominic Raab definitely doesn't. Speaking to the BBC, he said "insults and misogyny is absolutely wrong whether it's a man against a woman or a woman against a man".

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58814271

Who are these people we've put in charge of our country?

And how is there any hope of things improving for women with this lot at the helm?

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FatFredsFriedEgg · 06/10/2021 21:18

@Clavinova

FatFredsFriedEgg

Look right in your link - thanks!!

Bloke is a slang term for a common man in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa...

No, it doesn't say that on my Google screen.

But anyway if you were familiar with usage in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa you'd realise that calling someone a bloke doesn't imply that he's 'common' in the way you used the word.

Maybe you didn't learn that in your English lessons though? Or were you being deliberately disingenuous? I can't think of another explanation for your interpretation.

NiceGerbil · 06/10/2021 21:23

Bloke just means a chap, fella, man.

There is no class etc. It's just a word for a man. Here anyway.

And here is 10 million ish people in London so...

Are you thinking of blokey! He's a blokey type. That implies a lad, beer and football and being a bit of a nob. Maybe you got mixed up?

powershowerforanhour · 06/10/2021 21:23

sangak

*What is wrong with the man?

He’s a Tory cockwomble*

Boris knows what hetacomb means and proved it on telly. He's still a thick cockwomble though.

DuncinToffee · 06/10/2021 21:24

@Chipsinthewoods

Sorry I wouldn’t know where to start finding the thread, but I remember one on the FWR board about an article/speech written by Raab, claiming improved equality in the workplace for women was damaging life chances for men. Apparently middle class women were taking places that should rightfully go to men from poorer back grounds and they should effectively step aside. No mention of sharing the privilege enjoyed by middle class men.

I’m not sure if he’s thick or just thoughtless when it comes to women. As long as they remain well behaved support humans and allow the men to do the important things, he probably doesn’t consider their experiences beyond a few sexist insults. (Which beggars belief when this is put in the context of the Sarah Everard case and the serious failings in prosecutions for rape, “rough sex” murders, and culture in the police). He doesn’t know what misogyny is because he never cared to find out.

Is it one of these claims he has made?

www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/dominic-raab-attitude-towards-woman-and-gender

(article is from 2019)

NiceGerbil · 06/10/2021 21:24

Anyway for me the really interesting part was this-

'Just criminalising insulting language even if it is misogynistic doesn't deal with the intimidation, the violence and the much higher level of offence and damage and harm that we really ought to be laser-like focused in on'

Does he take this stance with racist or homophobic insults? I'd be interested to know.

Kendodd · 06/10/2021 21:24

Was it Raab who wrote the book about how lazy the thought the British workers were?
Johnson wrote about how terrible single mothers were.
Rees-Mogg thinks food banks are a wonderful addition to the country the Tories have added.
They don't even bother hiding their contempt for the average voter and yet the average voter loves them.

Clavinova · 06/10/2021 21:27

Maybe you didn't learn that in your English lessons though? Or were you being deliberately disingenuous? I can't think of another explanation for your interpretation.

Bloke -
A man (usually in the sense: the typical 'man on the street', an ordinary, down-to-earth...

Clavinova · 06/10/2021 21:31

Are you thinking of blokey! He's a blokey type.

I've never heard blokey being used.

FatFredsFriedEgg · 06/10/2021 21:33

@Clavinova

Maybe you didn't learn that in your English lessons though? Or were you being deliberately disingenuous? I can't think of another explanation for your interpretation.

Bloke -
A man (usually in the sense: the typical 'man on the street', an ordinary, down-to-earth...

So nothing suggesting 'common' in the derogatory way you implied I'd used it then? Just to be clear.

But even if I had meant he was 'common', what exactly is the relevance in this thread about the Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor not understanding the meaning of the word 'misogyny'?

FatFredsFriedEgg · 06/10/2021 21:38

As for 'second string', another Google search explains my (quite appropriate I think) assertion. www.google.com/search?q=bbc+breakfast+presenters

But again, let's not distract from the focus of the thread. The Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor, appointed by Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'misogyny'. He is thick.

Our government doesn't know what misogyny is.
Clavinova · 06/10/2021 21:48

FatFredsFriedEgg
So nothing suggesting 'common' in the derogatory way you implied I'd used it then? Just to be clear.

I disagree.

the Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor not understanding the meaning of the word 'misogyny'?

I disagree here as well - as discussed above.

NiceGerbil · 06/10/2021 21:51

Not sure why this sidetrack.

You seem to be unfamiliar with some pretty standard word usage!

Viviennemary · 06/10/2021 21:51

I can't bear the way this word is now bandied around all the time. It never used to be. What does it even mean anyway. Too annoying.

PickUpAPepper · 06/10/2021 21:53

but I remember one on the FWR board about an article/speech written by Raab, claiming improved equality in the workplace for women was damaging life chances for men. Apparently middle class women were taking places that should rightfully go to men from poorer back grounds and they should effectively step aside.

In socioeconomic circles, women are commonly defined as the 'reserve army of labour'. Because naturally men are the people who really need to work, and women don't ever have dependents. And misandry is naturally the real problem in a country where most crime and virtually all sex crime is committed by men and most childcare and housework is done by women.
Every so often someone starts a thread on the feminist boards called something like 'how do you deal with the anger' of knowing how misogynistic men really are.

Viviennemary · 06/10/2021 21:55

A tory cockwomble. Oh the irony. Confused

TrampolineForMrKite · 06/10/2021 22:00

Oxford must be very proud.

FatFredsFriedEgg · 06/10/2021 22:02

@Clavinova

FatFredsFriedEgg So nothing suggesting 'common' in the derogatory way you implied I'd used it then? Just to be clear.

I disagree.

the Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor not understanding the meaning of the word 'misogyny'?

I disagree here as well - as discussed above.

So in your considered opinion describing someone as a 'slightly chubby bloke' is describing him as common and overweight?

Whatever.

As for Dominic Raab, the Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor, not understanding the meaning of the word 'misogyny', it cannot be disputed. Even when he was questioned on his misunderstanding he didn't understand that he didn't understand the meaning. It would be a Johnson-like attempt at gaslighting to claim otherwise.

sangak · 06/10/2021 22:08

Didn’t he once (in another interview some years ago) say that he didn’t believe in feminism because he believed in equal rights for all?

I’ll try and find it.

SugarAndSpiceIsNice · 06/10/2021 22:09

At least they know what a woman is. All the other politicians are tying themselves up in knots to acknowledge basic biology.

sangak · 06/10/2021 22:17

Here he is with more gems!

Penfield · 06/10/2021 22:23

Raab went to Oxford and then Cambridge and doesn't know what misogyny means.

Maybe he's knowledgable about everything else in the whole wide world.

Or perhaps you don't actually have to be all that clever to go to Oxford or Cambridge.

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sangak · 06/10/2021 22:34

But he was the Foreign Secretary. How can he not know what misogyny means? It’s very alarming.

sangak · 06/10/2021 22:40

I just remembered something else. When questioned on his thoughts regarding BLM, he said he was not inclined to ‘take the knee.’ He then smirked that he would only do this for “Her Majesty” and also his “missus” when he proposed.

I’m not making this up. I will try and find this clip.

sangak · 06/10/2021 22:44

Here it is. He also said he thought it was “all a bit Game of Thrones.”

NiceGerbil · 06/10/2021 22:54

@Viviennemary

I can't bear the way this word is now bandied around all the time. It never used to be. What does it even mean anyway. Too annoying.
It's been 'bandied around' by loads of women esp feminists for decades!

And it's always been a word that was not generally well received.

It's a word to encompass the root cause of the reasons for the oppression of women and girls by men (and boys?).

It does not suggest that all women are horribly oppressed/ victimised.
Nor that men and boys never have bad things done or said to them by women/ girls.

It's a way of encompassing the whole historical and current situation re male/ female social role and dynamics.

It also does not suggest that it's about literal conscious hate.

EG when women were considered chattel. Or the way the Taliban think of and treat women. It wasn't all the men thinking I hate women let's fuck them over. That's a function of a deep belief often societal, that we are lesser, need to be tightly controlled etc. And definitely it can be said that's not the same as hate. It's certainly isn't positive.

The word has been in use for a very long time. And it encompasses a range of attitudes towards us.

Of course in plenty of attitudes and action it is obviously hate.

But like I say. It's a term that's been really disliked for an incredibly long time. I'd say likely because it's one used most often by feminists and generally anything feminists say is deeply criticised by many.

If a different word was used, that would be criticised as well.

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