To think the monarchy will end at Charles?

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I've just noticed a lot of republican talk recently (prompted by the other thread on the earth shot prize, also generally twitter and recent republican stuff happening in Wales) and I wonder whether it's because I'm in an echo chamber? Or is MN also an echo chamber? Either way. Are you a royalist or a republican?

Personally I feel the royal family is worth the money spent but should be kept out of politics. Kind of like other european monarchies.

But then on the other hand by dissolving the aristocracy wouldn't we be solving the problems of inequity in society?

Batshit explosion incoming.

Batshit explosion incoming.

Can't be arsed even to start...

What replaces it if it’s gone? Boris as the head of state like Biden and Macron? Oh yes that’s preferable. Can’t wait for that. Yes I get it that they are democratically elected, but that still doesn’t mean we end up with states people we are proud of.

I am absolutely convinced they’re not going anywhere (and know I’m right ), but this thread has been quite clear, if you’ve read it, that there are other options than the US or French models.

Ireland has a good system to consider - and anyway, who’s to say countries can’t come up wither their own unique, fit-for-purpose forms of government?

I'm centre right wing and I think it's time they went, the young ones think they celebs. Nobody has a jot of respect for them, FFS leaving aside Andrew and Harry, look at Charles he is always mouthing off and is quite dim. William looks like an estate agent and I gather he is heavy going Kate is fine, nice hair but dull.

There is still a lot if support for the monarchy. If you don’t think there is then you are in a left wing bubble

It's like the last general election and brexit. The loudest voices would have had you believe we'd still be in the EU with Jeremy Corbyn as prime minister right now.

Very few irl admit to voting Tory yet they're in power.

Royals are still popular with vast majority of the UK.

Ireland has a good system to consider - and anyway, who’s to say countries can’t come up wither their own unique, fit-for-purpose forms of government?

Exactly.
Throwing up the ''but we'd get Boris' argument is ridiculous. Crikey, if the birth order had been different we'd be having Andrew!

We need something we get to choose, one person, if we need a Head of State. Not a whole extended family of spouses, uncles, aunts, nephews, nieces, cousins from every generation with security for all and Royal apartments, Palaces and other grace and favour rewards.

What replaces it if it’s gone? Boris as the head of state like Biden and Macron? Oh yes that’s preferable

Honestly, this is the laziest argument in the book. Just look at the type of people Ireland elect as their president. Respected people who have achieved things in their own right.

Also, it’s a myth the royal family cost tonnes of money because The Crown Estate makes more than enough money to pay for the sovereign. Because of that the royals are a self funding entity as can be sen in the attachment.

Your attachment is disingenuous. That little Crown icon doesn't indicate that the crown estates belong to the Windsor family. They are state assets.

Crikey, if the birth order had been different we'd be having Andrew!

With no means of getting rid of him

Very confused as to why you think electing a good president is a straightforward thing. No one ever likes anyone with power in Britain. Why would it be any different when it came to the president of Britain?

The thing about elected heads of state is that they are free to operate in the short term and can push through agendas. Obama is a good example. He was a great statesman and spoke up for the vulnerable. Now he’s not in power he’s swapped over to celebrity dynasty world, milking it in lala land. He’s become what he stood against when he was elected.

Presidents end up using the platform to fulfil their own ambitions. The royals have to see it through to the bitter end and this makes it a different relationship with the people they serve. They stay accountable.

Point taken about Andrew. However, the fact that a royal cannot run away from scandal probably means in the end there is less. For a big family with huge amounts of power who have been at the top and within the scrutiny of the media for so long, there has been a surprisingly small amount of scandal associated with the current royal family.

The ‘little picture’ came straight from the BBC.

The thing about elected heads of state is that they are free to operate in the short term and can push through agendas.

You need to educate yourself on the differing presidential models used across the world. Your understanding is very limited.

Couldn't care less to be honest.

@MynameisWa

Very confused as to why you think electing a good president is a straightforward thing. No one ever likes anyone with power in Britain. Why would it be any different when it came to the president of Britain?

The thing about elected heads of state is that they are free to operate in the short term and can push through agendas. Obama is a good example. He was a great statesman and spoke up for the vulnerable. Now he’s not in power he’s swapped over to celebrity dynasty world, milking it in lala land. He’s become what he stood against when he was elected.

Presidents end up using the platform to fulfil their own ambitions. The royals have to see it through to the bitter end and this makes it a different relationship with the people they serve. They stay accountable.

Point taken about Andrew. However, the fact that a royal cannot run away from scandal probably means in the end there is less. For a big family with huge amounts of power who have been at the top and within the scrutiny of the media for so long, there has been a surprisingly small amount of scandal associated with the current royal family.

The ‘little picture’ came straight from the BBC.

I think you’re getting confused about the different types of presidents and heads of state, etc.

Ireland, as a Republic, have a very different and much better set up than the US, as a Republic.

I agree the MN appears very out of touch on this. Most people in Britain are happy with the monarchy, are glad the EU referendum was (in the end) respected and are, on the whole, proud of their nation.

As a PP said, to admit such things receives immediate and fierce opposition on MN. I did laugh when a PP said they consult Twitter comments for public opinion 🙃

Most people in the country like the status quo and really just want to get on with their lives without more upheaval.

The RF is not allowed to get involved with politics although Prince Charles has sailed close to the wind with his environment agenda. I genuinely think he has been speaking sense on this since the 1960s when he spoke about plastic pollution. If he had any influence, the ocean might not be in the mess it is in.

I think there's no political appetite to call for the end of the monarchy while the Queen is still alive, but once she dies it will become a more bigger discussion point & its days are numbered. Whether that ends in Charles or William probably depends on how much reform Charles does of slimming down the monarchy & what other scandals/crisis hit the family.

41% of 18-24 year olds now say Britain should have an elected head of state, while only 31% would like to see the monarchy continue

• Ipsos MORI

Taking away the monarchy wouldn't be dismantling aristocracy 😂😂

@SouthOfFrance

41% of 18-24 year olds now say Britain should have an elected head of state, while only 31% would like to see the monarchy continue

• Ipsos MORI

Even in the younger age group 59% don't support getting rid. I'm surprised it's that's many but there you have it.

The ‘little picture’ came straight from the BBC

And the bbc know full well the Crown Estates don't belong to the Windsors.

Yet again you need to educate yourself

www.thecrownestate.co.uk/en-gb/resources/faqs/

"For a big family with huge amounts of power who have been at the top and within the scrutiny of the media for so long, ...."

I thought monarchists loved the monarchy because they supposedly HAD no power? (that argument was also destroyed on the previous RF threads).

Some people's emotional attachment to the RF is clouding their logic.

"there has been a surprisingly small amount of scandal associated with the current royal family"

This is just wrong, there have been several full threads on RF scandals. There is scandal attached to every single member, even Princess Anne. It's a real-life soap opera; for the RF's own sake if nothing else, the plug needs pulling.

Most people in Britain are happy with the monarchy, are glad the EU referendum was (in the end) respected and are, on the whole, proud of their nation.

Most people avoid thinking about it, which is fair enough. But sex offending always ends in disgrace. It's the final taboo, and I think public opinion is going to shift as this Maxwell affair unfolds.

It's a real-life soap opera

That's part of the appeal which drives revenue

@mustlovegin

It's a real-life soap opera

That's part of the appeal which drives revenue

So basically British people just want a set of performing bears to jeer at. Nice.

(Still waiting for the evidence on the "driving of revenue". Won't hold my breath).

Most people in the country like the status quo and really just want to get on with their lives without more upheaval

That's not a good enough reason to keep turning a blind eye to the scandals and scams that come to light with ever increasing regularity.

It's hilarious that people think the Royal family have no power or influence. The Queen regularly interferes when it is for her own or her family's good. She is so revered that there is literally no one who will dare question her, it's quite a position of power she is in.

I do think she's shown her true colours over the Andrew situation and I hope it is the beginning of the end for such a ridiculous institution. All their illegally acquired property and valuables should be given back to the state in full.

It's tricky, we are so entwined with them culturally.