To think the monarchy will end at Charles?

[freudien]

I've just noticed a lot of republican talk recently (prompted by the other thread on the earth shot prize, also generally twitter and recent republican stuff happening in Wales) and I wonder whether it's because I'm in an echo chamber? Or is MN also an echo chamber? Either way. Are you a royalist or a republican?

Personally I feel the royal family is worth the money spent but should be kept out of politics. Kind of like other european monarchies.

But then on the other hand by dissolving the aristocracy wouldn't we be solving the problems of inequity in society?

Yes, HarrietsChariot, and was immediately replaced by an even more expensive scam.

A lot of people consider him pompous

They are paid to be pompous, it's their job

A lot of people consider him pompous

Do you think tourists for instance will travel all the way to the UK so that they can see Joe Bloggs with his mates at the pub? Ridiculous

Do you think tourists for instance will travel all the way to the UK so that they can see Joe Bloggs with his mates at the pub?

What tourist comes here expecting to see Prince Charles?

caat.org.uk/news/prince-charles-dance-of-shame/

Well the Saudi arms dealers might return his visit. Probably not travelling tourist class though.

What tourist comes here expecting to see Prince Charles?

Sure, let's get rid of one of the UK's unique selling points because a few people can't handle anything akin to authority or prosperity very well and naively believe that eliminating one of our main sources of revenue will bring 'equality'

No.

I suspect Charles will have a comparatively short reign and will abdicate in favour of WIlliam. Whether the monarchy continues beyond WIlliam will depend on how popular a King he is.

@mustlovegin

What tourist comes here expecting to see Prince Charles?

Sure, let's get rid of one of the UK's unique selling points because a few people can't handle anything akin to authority or prosperity very well and naively believe that eliminating one of our main sources of revenue will bring 'equality'

This. People are bonkers if they think the Royal Family/The Monarchy is EVER^ going to end. It's never going to happen. As you said, it's one of the UK's main attractions. I know some people loathe them, but they ain't going anywhere, nope.

Sure, let's get rid of one of the UK's unique selling points because a few people can't handle anything akin to authority or prosperity very well and naively believe that eliminating one of our main sources of revenue will bring 'equality'

Awesome, all this argument needs is a shred of evidence for the "main sources of revenue".

A few people can't handle anything akin to ethics and integrity, maybe?

I would not be a supporter of a monarchy but have always had respect for the Queen until this year.
The way that she has enabled Prince Andrew to try to evade being served legal papers is disgraceful.
The rest of them are just an elite brand

Nope.

I support a heavily scaled back monarchy, which I hope in time will lose its power and public funding. This could be done gradually over the next few generations

Sure, let's get rid of one of the UK's unique selling points because a few people can't handle anything akin to authority or prosperity very well and naively believe that eliminating one of our main sources of revenue will bring 'equality'

What a bizarre thing to say.

There's no evidence they produce any revenue. If we got rid of them we'd still be able to hawk the history stuff to tourists in the way that Versailles does. We could divert duchy and sovereign grant money to the actual public.

Many people misread how the U.K. is seen from abroad. Anyone I know just thinks it's a bit embarrassing that the U.K. clings to a mode of government that made sense in medieval times, but is totally ill suited to the present. It comes across as a very childish way to want to be governed.

Sure, let's get rid of one of the UK's unique selling points because a few people can't handle anything akin to authority or prosperity very well and naively believe that eliminating one of our main sources of revenue will bring 'equality'

Can you provide a link to figures showing the royals are one of our main sources of revenue?

@HarrietsChariot

The civil list was abolished a decade ago.

OK then the Sovereign Grant which replaced it which has risen from the original £31M in 2012/13 to £86.3M for 2021/22.

@Marcipex

I don’t know, but when you say end at Charles, end how? Do you think he’ll abolish the monarchy himself? Does William then get a say? I think William and Kate are quite popular.

By this I meant there would, at his death in a few decades, be a big enough republican appetite to warrant a big constitutional change in the role of the monarchy in political institutions.

An example: the fact our current 94 year old queen still has a (private) weekly address with the prime minister is unacceptable but it is still very much part of the fabric of government. She can (and does) put pressure on PMs.

No

But I would like it too

After the Queen dies her legacy is what shall carry the royal family forward

I have a hunch William will be the last king.

I have never had strong views on the monarchy but after Prince Andrew’s conduct and the Queen’s support for him in evading proper process, I want the monarchy to end as soon as possible. I don’t see them as positive role models and I don’t think we should support the institution.

Freudian are you going to answer my question about your plan to ‘disssolve’ the aristocracy?

Can you provide a link to figures showing the royals are one of our main sources of revenue?

This question is always asked on these threads, and it denotes a complete lack of understanding of how the economy works.

British traditions (which include a reigning monarchy) are a key driver of economic output. It's not the takings of a few postcards and a couple of mugs at a souvenir shop. They permeate many and vast sectors as diverse as hospitality, entertainment, education, fashion, property, the list is endless. Also industries are closely intertwined and the continuous feedback cycle makes it impossible to cleanly attribute revenues to the monarchy in this way - but if it were possible, it would be much more than £86million pounds, that's for sure.

Anyone I know just thinks it's a bit embarrassing that the U.K. clings to a mode of government that made sense in medieval times, but is totally ill suited to the present

It's likely you're hanging out with the wrong crowd, same as the OP

It's likely you're hanging out with the wrong crowd, same as the OP

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Yes I'd much prefer to be part of the crowd curtsying to Andrew

It is time to get rid of them. They serve little purpose.