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AIBU to wonder how the fuck is LEMON a "MC food"

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Wazzzzzzzup · 02/10/2021 11:22

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/02/food-choices-proxy-class-britain

What the hell, people😂 What. The. Hell.

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StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 02/10/2021 19:41

@Wazzzzzzzup

Soooooo. Is garlic cross class now or class contained?🤔
It's generally speaking across the classes at this point but there is still a small but vocal substrate who view it very suspiciously on account of it being forrin and pungent.
LukeEvansWife · 02/10/2021 19:43

It's generally speaking across the classes at this point but there is still a small but vocal substrate who view it very suspiciously on account of it being forrin and pungent.

I like garlic but let's not pretend that it does make some people stink

Rainbowsew · 02/10/2021 19:46

@FlamingVictoria

I'm clearly not the right demographic. I opened the thead thinking "wtf have Macdonald's added to their menu that would have lemons in it?"
Me too!! Grin
BlackForestCake · 02/10/2021 20:07

the working classes living in tenement blocks had little way of cooking staples such as lentils, oats and potatoes. So pre- prepared foods were the only way of feeding themselves.

This is ahistorical I'm afraid. Even the worst hovel would have had a fire in the grate because central heating didn't exist. People relied on fire for heating and cooking. Pre-prepared food didn’t really exist either and you wouldn’t have been able to afford it anyway.

“The habitual food of the individual working-man naturally varies according to his wages. The better-paid workers, especially those in whose families every member is able to earn something, have good food as long as this state of things lasts; meat daily and bacon and cheese for supper. Where wages are less, meat is used only two or three times a week, and the proportion of bread and potatoes increases. Descending gradually, we find the animal food reduced to a small piece of bacon cut up with the potatoes; lower still, even this disappears, and there remain only bread, cheese, porridge, and potatoes, until on the lowest round of the ladder, among the Irish, potatoes form the sole food, As an accompaniment, weak tea, with perhaps a little sugar, milk, or spirits, is universally drunk. Tea is regarded in England, and even in Ireland, as quite as indispensable as coffee in Germany, and where no tea is used, the bitterest poverty reigns.” (Engels, The Condition of the Working Class in England, 1845)

Yes, Britain industrialised first, but things like custard powder, commercial jam and ready-made biscuits only appear towards the end of the nineteenth century, and it was only after WW2 that tins and packets of food made up a substantial part of people's diets.

If you saw the TV show Back in Time for Dinner which was on a couple of years ago, most families were still cooking meat-and-potatoes-type meals from scratch until well into the 1980s.

AGreenerShadeofKale · 02/10/2021 20:15

Thank you BlackForest, I couldn't face the typing to contradict that post. And yours covers all the bases!
Can I add that red lentils and pearl barley have been in the food shelves in poorer areas all my life. My suspicion is that the lentils perceived as "wanky" will be green, brown or Puy!

Comedycook · 02/10/2021 20:16

Sadly, nowadays, in the UK, cooking is a middle class activity.

Riada · 02/10/2021 20:26

@Comedycook

Sadly, nowadays, in the UK, cooking is a middle class activity.
That really isn’t true. Have you never been in working-class Asian households, for instance?
coolhwip · 02/10/2021 20:28

I still feel guilty cutting up a lemon Blush

I can afford thousands of lemons, I don’t know why I feel that way.

Comedycook · 02/10/2021 20:31

That really isn’t true. Have you never been in working-class Asian households, for instance?

Yes I agree within ethnic communities and immigrant communities, the culture regarding food and cooking is not like that I described.

However, amongst the white British population cooking is mainly a middle class pursuit.

Wazzzzzzzup · 02/10/2021 20:34

@Comedycook

Sadly, nowadays, in the UK, cooking is a middle class activity.
This is really interesting difference. Here it's said that poor can't afford to cook, where I am from poor can't afford not to cook. One continent, incredible difference. And in supermarkets. My home country never had and atill doesn't have isles and isles of ready made food.
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BarbaraofSeville · 02/10/2021 20:35

@Comedycook

That really isn’t true. Have you never been in working-class Asian households, for instance?

Yes I agree within ethnic communities and immigrant communities, the culture regarding food and cooking is not like that I described.

However, amongst the white British population cooking is mainly a middle class pursuit.

I have to disagree here.

People have it in their minds that activity X, Y or Z is WC or MC and therefore it follows that the person who partakes must be WC or MC.

When in reality, there's so much crossover now, that you can't reliably pigeonhole most people as WC or MC.

Comedycook · 02/10/2021 20:38

Yes @Wazzzzzzzup I agree, in many other countries, cooking is just seen as total necessity. The UK is quite unique I think in this respect. My social circle is very middle class. All my friends can cook really well. When my Ds started school I made friends with a group of more working class mums. None of them could cook. I invited them and their kids round for lunch and their children had never eaten actual real chicken...they'd only ever eaten in in nugget form. I was totally Shock

Wazzzzzzzup · 02/10/2021 20:39

😯 @Comedycook That's mindblowing.

Yea, uk is very different. I wonder how that came to be

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BarbaraofSeville · 02/10/2021 20:41

^This is really interesting difference.
Here it's said that poor can't afford to cook, where I am from poor can't afford not to cook.
One continent, incredible difference. And in supermarkets. My home country never had and atill doesn't have isles and isles of ready made food^

Exactly. What is different about the UK compared with other countries? I mostly cook because to get comparable quality to home made it's so expensive that you'd have to be very well off for it to be affordable.

And any time I've been short of money, it's been processed food, takeaways and drinks and snacks that I've cut back on because they seem like unaffordable luxuries of the type that you can do without if you're trying to save money. Yet so many people argue that it's all that people with smaller budgets can afford Confused.

RampantIvy · 02/10/2021 20:41

And carbonara is gorgeous but if you add cream, very unhealthy

And not authentic. No self-respecting Italian would add cream to carbonara.

@Gwenhwyfar a fresh lemon lasts for ages if you keep it in the fridge. I don’t use enough lemon juice to buy a Jiff lemon. I use real lemons. At 30p each they don’t exactly break the bank.

Fresh fruit and veg nowadays is bloody expensive and if you're on a tight budget,

It depends where you live. We are rural, and I buy vegetables from the local farm shop. This isn’t a fancy pants farm shop with “artisan” produce, but a large shed on a farm that grows a lot of its own vegetables. I bought a bag full of vegetables, some of which were home grown, for less than a fiver.

Did you people not have garlic?

Of course we did @Wazzzzzzzup. I grew up in the 1960s, and garlic was easily available when I was a child. My mother had a Cordon Bleu diploma and was an adventurous cook.

garlic was totally "foreign muck" in the suburban 1970s.

No it wasn’t Hmm. I’m struggling to believe that people couldn’t get garlic in the 1970s. I think that posters on here must had parents who were unwilling to cook and eat “foreign muck”. Garlic was certainly around in the 1970s.

Lentils with rice? In the same dish?

Yes. Dahl and rice?

You are just up the road from me @BarbaraofSeville. I'm not far from the rhubarb triangle. Have you ever tried rhucello?

Comedycook · 02/10/2021 20:43

I don't think it's just a money issue @BarbaraofSeville...I think it's cultural too.

Marguerite2000 · 02/10/2021 20:45

@Comedycook

Sadly, nowadays, in the UK, cooking is a middle class activity.
No , it really isn't. Most people cook.
Comedycook · 02/10/2021 20:46

No , it really isn't. Most people cook

I think you'd be very surprised. Absolutely loads of people don't cook or know how to. You obviously just don't associate with them.

BarbaraofSeville · 02/10/2021 20:50

I haven't tried ruchello @RampantIvy and from the name I'm guessing that it's like limoncello but made from rhubarb?

Must look out for that. It would be DM and DSis Christmas presents sorted for a start Smile

I agree that fruit and veg are not expensive. Well they're expensive if you buy out of season air freighted stuff, but most of it really is quite cheap.

Marguerite2000 · 02/10/2021 20:52

@Comedycook

No , it really isn't. Most people cook

I think you'd be very surprised. Absolutely loads of people don't cook or know how to. You obviously just don't associate with them.

Oh sorry. I guess you know best.
Porcupineintherough · 02/10/2021 20:55

@RampantIvy my parents were foreigners and did cook with garlic (my dad used to buy it in London, you couldnt get it locally) which is why I can 100% guarentee that "foreign muck" comments were a thing . And this was in a lower middle class bit of the SE, not the back of beyond. It really only started changing when package holidays to Spain, France etc became a thing. I guess people are more open to trying new things on holiday.

Riada · 02/10/2021 20:58

@Comedycook

No , it really isn't. Most people cook

I think you'd be very surprised. Absolutely loads of people don't cook or know how to. You obviously just don't associate with them.

Well, you seem to be basing your assertion primarily on having got to know some working class women whose children didn’t recognise non-nuggeted chicken through your school?
kinzarose · 02/10/2021 20:58

I'm flabbergasted by this and think that Brits often conflate 'exotic' with 'posh'. I'm not white British, we always had lemons, various types of lentils and fresh okra in the house. These were staples of Asian diet. In our language lentils are known as 'the meat of the poor'. I always wanted the little plastic lemon container with the juice in it, to me it was the height of sophistication. Our cupboards back in the 80s would deem us solidly MC today, which couldn't have been further from the truth!

RampantIvy · 02/10/2021 21:00

I grew up in Croydon where we had a brilliant market and a delicatessen. My mum could get all sorts of "foreign muck".

I disagree @Comedycook.Everyone I know cooks, even if it is Hello Fresh or similar.

julieca · 02/10/2021 21:02

@kinzarose the first time I saw okra was in the 1990s in London.