To think he should resign immediately?

[Leibham]

Zarah Sultana MP has reported that today The Conservative Police and Crime Commissioner for North Yorkshire Phill Abbott has said that Sarah Everard should have ‘resisted arrest’ and that women need to be more ‘street smart’.

Victim blaming her and other women effectively.

[quote MrsLeclerc]@RufustheBadgeringReindeer Yes, if you sit in the front or rear passenger side you can be grabbed more easily. If you’re behind the driver they have a hard time getting a grip on you and you have easy access to their neck/head to retaliate.[/quote]
Awesome thank you very much

Weve given dd uber money so she can always get an uber and I’ll give her this piece of advice as well

I am just so so tired of it all. Bone tired, depressed and despondent. Bleaker than March 2020.

The only thing menz would even notice would be if we completely went on strike

Didnt pick up our kids
Or go to work
Or make dinner
Or call the dentist
Or shag them

And you know what would happen then?
A fuck load of domestic violence, that’s what.

We can’t win.

Fuck him. I hope they throw the book at him, misogynistic piece of shit.

Just what women need, another “tool” to add to their armpit to protect them from psychopaths - make sure we’re all aware of the law of arrest so we don’t succumb to these pieces of shit.

His Twitter has been lit up for hours. He's apologised like it means anything.

Isn’t the elephant in the room though that poor Sarah seemed to genuinely be compliant with being arrested because it wasn’t that difficult to convince her that she’d actually committed a crime? Not only one that may have warranted a ticket or summons but one serious enough to require her being handcuffed and carted off to the station!

None of this is her fault of course, it lies at the feet of the politicians who created such a nonsensical web of “rules” and regulations (along with some emergency laws that no one seems to have been legally prosecuted under anyway) that convinced an innocent citizen that they may be guilty of the crime of walking home.

I am sure that WC would’ve found another way to abduct a woman without covid rules but the ministers that invented them and the surrounding theatre certainly made it easier.

I usually give people the benefit of the doubt in these situations but I'm so shocked and appalled that he could say this. He should absolutely resign.

@SweetBabyCheeses99

Isn’t the elephant in the room though that poor Sarah seemed to genuinely be compliant with being arrested because it wasn’t that difficult to convince her that she’d actually committed a crime? Not only one that may have warranted a ticket or summons but one serious enough to require her being handcuffed and carted off to the station!

None of this is her fault of course, it lies at the feet of the politicians who created such a nonsensical web of “rules” and regulations (along with some emergency laws that no one seems to have been legally prosecuted under anyway) that convinced an innocent citizen that they may be guilty of the crime of walking home.

I am sure that WC would’ve found another way to abduct a woman without covid rules but the ministers that invented them and the surrounding theatre certainly made it easier.

Yep

Clearly the situation where an off duty police officer is able to make an arrest when they are driving their own or an unmarked car needs to change. They should have to call it in so a marked car is sent and then the person taken to a police station if appropriate.

I was brought up in the area Sarah was abducted from, went to school just down from Poynders Rd, where my dsis lives, and lived near Leathwaite Rd so Sarah was walking a route I know well. It's not one I've ever walked alone at night.

I think if she had tried to run or resisted arrest he would have just caught her and overpowered her.

A friend of mine was pulled off the street in daylight.

@nocoolnamesleft

He shouldn't be let resign. He should be sacked.

I don't think he can be sacked.

He's an elected representative, just like an MP is.

I was brought up in the area Sarah was abducted from, went to school just down from Poynders Rd, where my dsis lives, and lived near Leathwaite Rd so Sarah was walking a route I know well. It's not one I've ever walked alone at night.

I don't think I understand your point?

I got so angry at his stupid F-ing comments!! I was trying to tell my husband and was nearly in tears!!

Old white man blaming young female for getting killed. His words were offensive and made me shout at him on the news .... but his generation believe this shite there’s no hope

He said she shouldn't have submitted to arrest. What a great piece of advice. Does he have ANY concept of what would normally happen when a lone woman decides she;s not going to submit to arrest?

He must resign.

Thanks for the link to the North Yorks form @Mumoftwoinprimary

Absolutely disgusting, if he stays in his post it says a lot about the police culture.

@SweetBabyCheeses99

Isn’t the elephant in the room though that poor Sarah seemed to genuinely be compliant with being arrested because it wasn’t that difficult to convince her that she’d actually committed a crime? Not only one that may have warranted a ticket or summons but one serious enough to require her being handcuffed and carted off to the station!

None of this is her fault of course, it lies at the feet of the politicians who created such a nonsensical web of “rules” and regulations (along with some emergency laws that no one seems to have been legally prosecuted under anyway) that convinced an innocent citizen that they may be guilty of the crime of walking home.

I am sure that WC would’ve found another way to abduct a woman without covid rules but the ministers that invented them and the surrounding theatre certainly made it easier.

Kirsty is that you?

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer You’re welcome. We had a safety talk at school (late 90s) and it was one of the scenarios they described. It always stuck with me.

Not good enough. He meant those words. That tells us who he is.

Agree with this. And this is the problem. The people in charge who have the ability to change things don’t. Because this is what they believe. And this is why they have to go. An apology is not enough. His underlying beliefs mean he is not fit to do the job and he needs to recognise this and resign.

The answer isn’t for women to learn how to resist arrest it is for men to stop fucking attacking us.

This in spades.

The party of defunding the police. The party that says fuck business. The party that destroys the Union. Now the party of resisting arrest, it would seem.

Just another massive Tory tit.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/women-prey-authority-violence-against-women

Marina Hyde is just a brilliant writer.

"The women who love you have to communicate the fear to you when you’re still a girl, knowing that one day you too will have to communicate it to the girls you love. They pass you down their strategies – their defences – like your birthright. And when you’re big enough to be out in the world on your own, those same women spend their time hoping till it hurts that this fear, which they had to gift you out of love, will somehow save you. “In the evenings,” said Sarah Everard’s mother in her unforgettable victim impact statement, “at the time she was abducted, I let out a silent scream: ‘Don’t get in the car, Sarah. Don’t believe him. Run!’”

I don't want to shatter my beautiful daughters' happiness and security and feeling of safety by exposing them to the knowledge of the epidemic of male violence against women and the failure of the police, the courts, the country to tackle it in even the slightest way. But sooner rather than later I have to. Because fear is all we have. The advice from the police to run away if scared - that's saying we're not even going to bother to do anything to protect you, you're on your own. Fear is all you've got.

@Kendodd

He shouldn't be let resign. He should be sacked.

Who's going to sack him? He's been elected by the voters of Manchester, I don't believe he can be sacked.

Is there a petition doing the rounds calling on him to resign yet?

There are ways to get rid of people in public office should they be found to be unfit to hold that office.

Handing him his arse on a plate would be a start.

This advice doesn't seem much better
www.met.police.uk/notices/met/our-response-to-issues-raised-by-the-crimes-of-wayne-couzens/

Flagging down a bus had been adviced too earlier.

A truly disgusting remark and, yes, he should resign with immediate effect.

@bellabasset

Clearly the situation where an off duty police officer is able to make an arrest when they are driving their own or an unmarked car needs to change. They should have to call it in so a marked car is sent and then the person taken to a police station if appropriate.

I was brought up in the area Sarah was abducted from, went to school just down from Poynders Rd, where my dsis lives, and lived near Leathwaite Rd so Sarah was walking a route I know well. It's not one I've ever walked alone at night.

I cant agree with this. Off duty officers make arrests all the time. There's no time to phone in for support and get a marked car! How many marked cars do you imagine there are overnight. In my large town there might be 6. Lots of those will not even have bluelight trained drivers so they will pootle along at their own speed. DS was a police officer for 18 months. I don't go out with him often, but twice in that time I've been with him when he's made an off duty arrest at night. Once from my car, he leapt out at traffic lights when a man was smashing a woman's head against a wall and the second time from a train when a presumably mentally ill man had taken all his clothes off and was running along the platform threatening to throw himself under a train and hitting station staff. There was no waiting for support or phoning it in. The options were 'intervene', or 'pretend you haven't seen it'.