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following today's news...to say police should not be allowed to arrest women when operating solo

267 replies

RBKB · 29/09/2021 18:36

Just that.... what tragic and terrifying news regarding Sarah Everard's murder. I am so angry as I gather the force minimised earlier reports of sexually deviant behaviour by this appalling man.

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malificent7 · 29/09/2021 18:37

Depends how dangerous the woman is i guess.

malificent7 · 29/09/2021 18:38

I see your point but in reality i don't think that's going to work.

Marcipex · 29/09/2021 18:42

Apparently his nickname was ‘the rapist’
Why is the command chain also not answerable?

RBKB · 29/09/2021 18:44

@Marcipex absolutely...there has to be a public enquiry...... if women's lives matter at all

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Sirzy · 29/09/2021 18:46

Ideally your probably right. In reality it just wouldn’t work.

What needs doing in the culture changing so people like him aren’t in the police, or on the streets at all.

AwFeebs · 29/09/2021 18:48

Her family's statements were heartbreaking.

That poor woman. That poor family.

thinkningaboutit · 29/09/2021 18:51

I think that's entirely reasonable. We can't trust men.

Kindleswitchface · 29/09/2021 18:53

Would you like to pay the extra taxes to fund the additional police officers required to ensure double crewed patrols? If yes, crack on.

WrapAroundYourDreams · 29/09/2021 18:54

@thinkningaboutit

I think that's entirely reasonable. We can't trust men.
This.

This isn't about what is feasible. It's disgusting that it isn't feasible. But this is about what should/should not be happening. And the OP is entirely reasonable.

Kindleswitchface · 29/09/2021 18:54

Are domino's drivers also not allowed to deliver single crewed to females?

Myfilterisbroken · 29/09/2021 18:55

Agree

Lockheart · 29/09/2021 18:56

How would you make this work, on a practical level? Crime doesn't work to a timetable and won't hang about for another policeman/woman to turn up.

delusionsofadequacy · 29/09/2021 18:56

@kindleswitchface because everyone knows domino's drivers have the power to force people to get in to the back of their car wearing handcuffs...

x2boys · 29/09/2021 18:57

So your a, women on your own, and somebodys trying to break into your house, you ring the police and they only have a lone male officer to despatch, what are you going to do say no thanks?

Mumoblue · 29/09/2021 18:58

Something needs to be done. Whether it’s this or having some sort of communication with their dispatch before getting in their car. Obviously I’m just a dumb civilian and I don’t know what CAN be done, but clearly something needs to be done.

Clocktopus · 29/09/2021 18:59

Are domino's drivers also not allowed to deliver single crewed to females?

Stupid comparison really. Dominoes don't tend to carry handcuffs and are not in a position of authority where they could force a woman into their car under the pretence of arresting them. They don't even stay at the door nowadays, they put the pizza on the doorstep and then retreat to their car.

Would you like to pay the extra taxes to fund the additional police officers required to ensure double crewed patrols? If yes, crack on

It doesn't have to be double crewed patrols. If a police officer has reasons to arrest a lone women then he detains her at the scene and radios for assistance, once they arrive then they remove her to custody. I also think lone women should have the right to request waiting at the scene for a second officer if their arresting officer is a lone male.

CoalCraft · 29/09/2021 19:00

Do if an officer happens across a woman committing a crime, he's supposed to just... Let her carry on?

If I'm assaulted by a random drunk woman (has happened to me in the past) and a male officer is there, he's not allowed to help me?

I think AIBU but I also think all officers should wear body cameras (and have them on obviously) when on duty.

RBKB · 29/09/2021 19:01

On a practical level...how much public money is used up on the endless cycle of violence towards women? If you include the long term cost of supporting the damage it rains down on their families? And how much evidence do we have, from this case, of prevailing poisonous attitudes towards women in the police? I just feel weary familiarity, even whilst shocked to my core by this murder.

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LittleGwyneth · 29/09/2021 19:02

@malificent7

Depends how dangerous the woman is i guess.
The number of women who commit violent crimes in the UK is absolutely tiny.

OP I am in complete agreement. It seems strange to me that they don't have to wear a bodycam 24/7 and that they don't have to work in pairs. If they did have to work in pairs, and that was common knowledge, Sarah Everard might still be alive.

Clocktopus · 29/09/2021 19:02

So your a, women on your own, and somebodys trying to break into your house, you ring the police and they only have a lone male officer to despatch, what are you going to do say no thanks?

Not the same thing at all. In this instance dispatch are aware that an officer is being sent to your house, they know which officer it is, when he will arrive, etc. There is a trail, there are people aware of the situation. It is totally different to a lone officer "arresting" you under false pretences and driving you away in handcuffs without anyone else knowing about it.

amylou8 · 29/09/2021 19:03

No police officer wants to be single crewed. Ask Boris and his cronies why they are.

RBKB · 29/09/2021 19:04

@CoalCraft this officer was off duty. She would have been powerless to check if his bodycam was off. The badge gives instant power. Which is as it should be...if the police root out and remove when they get warnings of an officer's clear dangerousness

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GiraffeClimber · 29/09/2021 19:05

I see your point but there are some very clear practical hurdles to overcome before this is a reality.

EnidFrighten · 29/09/2021 19:07

I'm sorry, that's crazy. If he hadn't been presenting as a policeman he still could have dragged her off etc.

RBKB · 29/09/2021 19:08

@enidfrighten...disagree. She was careful to walk in visible places. The abduction was witnessed but thry saw the cuffs and assumed it was a legitimate arrest

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