To say let's all give a quiet wave of support to Rosie Duffield MP

[DeepaBeesKit]

We've got your back Rosie. In the words of Tony Benn, there are millions of people in your wilderness.

Wave of support.

Anyone else?

Thank you Rosie, it shouldn't have to take courage to tell the truth, but here we are

I stand with Rosie, I hope you see this thread

Huge applause for you here, Rosie, keep going! I

t's not right, you know it, we know it and we won't be silenced. Thank you!

I'm waiting for Keir Starmer to follow his remarks with some science based reasons why Rosie Duffield is 'wrong' to say 'only women have a cervix' and why 'it's not right' to say what she said.

Suspect I'm going to be waiting a very, very long time.

When everyone around you, and in her case, the leader of her political party as well, is oohing and aahing at the emperor's clothes it takes enormous guts and integrity to stand up and declare that the emperor is naked.

Well done Rosie Duffield

I stand with Rosie too.

My cervix and its neighbour, my uterus, have caused me such absolute and utter misery and frequently pour blood all over the bathroom floor and all the other women with uteruses help me out by passing me tissues and pads and generally looking after me. My cervix and I are grateful somebody is bothered about saying this fact and trying to protect our spaces. Only women have experienced a cervix and uterus and nobody can take that away from us. I have never had a prostate and I wouldn't find it offensive or wrong to hear 'Only men have a prostate' because I am not a weirdo.

I began from a gender critical position and would previously have supported the likes of Rosie Duffield, JK Rowling etc. Various experiences have changed my mind and I’m very glad that they did. Trans people are vulnerable, as are women, and women’s rights and trans rights should be fought for together.
Also on Rosie Duffield, I find it very hard to relate to women who are successful and have some power yet cast themselves as victims all the time. Not only did Rosie Duffield break lockdown to pursue her affair, she caused people in her office to resign and she put the boot fully into the hundreds of hopeful young people who campaigned for her victory in Canterbury by diminishing their efforts and trashing the beliefs they were led to believe she shared. I can think of at least a million women who are better role models and more worthy of praise than Rosie Duffield. One of them is Emily Thornberry who is the only Labour MP I have managed to see give a clear and humane answer to the cervix question today.

Only women have experienced a cervix and uterus and nobody can take that away from us

And trans men. They don’t consider themselves women any more but unless they’ve been operated upon will still have a cervix. Which is the entire point. This is not about trans women having cervixes but trans men who are biologically female.

Greywhippet
I do usually like ET.

However, no one is really getting to the simple fact here, that there needs to be a clearly understood single word term, for people of xx phenotype. For millennia that term has been "woman"/foreign language equivalent.

If you want to have a term that encompasses all females from a gender perspective, that is fine but it must be different to the term used to refer to those people who are biologically XX.

because gender and sex are not the same thing.

Brendabubbles

I think you are mixing up words a bit.

Usually female/feminine is used to describe gender

Woman is usually used to describe biology/phenotype which cannot be changed.

Rosie has been brilliant and I’m
Appalled at the Labour party’s behaviour over this whole issue. Voted for them all my life

How can I trust them to support women when they a) pretend they don’t know what a women is b) can’t even deal with the threats directed towards an MP from within their own party

Yeah, I'm not buying that trans people are more vulnerable than actual women. Not when 2 women are killed every week by men.

With you and Rosie all the way @DeepaBeesKit.

and 👋

💚🤍💜 & 👋s for Rosie x

Usually female/feminine is used to describe gender

I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, female is a scientific term (of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes.) , and therefore related to sex.

So for me based on available words

sex : woman (adult human female), female

gender presentation: feminine

Thank you Rosie Duffield for all that you do. I’m so sad I can’t vote for Labour again until the leadership realises that biological women will not accept this erasure of safe spaces and misogynistic bullying by trans activists.

I hate BJ and this useless government but how can I support a Labour that prioritises a tiny number of men’s hurt feelings over vulnerable women’s needs?

for an elected politician who cannot be safe at her own party conference, because she knows what a woman is.

Thanks, Rosie.

ArcheryAnnie

Rosie Duffield would have been perfectly safe at Labour Party conference as she well knows.

Greywhippet how many death and rape threats is it reasonable to get before you have a reasonable worry for your safety?

If I was her, I'd worry, too.

ArcheryAnnie

How many came from Labour Party members I wonder? She is a bad faith actor. It’s a shame people can’t see through it. Diane Abbot, Emily Thornberry and many other female MPs on all sides had far worse treatment (at the hands of their own, female, colleagues in Diane Abbot’s case) and still seem capable of turning up to do their jobs. I can’t believe that people find it so hard to see through Duffield’s cry bullying

I can’t believe that people find it so hard to see through Duffield’s cry bullying

Nope! I don't want to get banned!

But, fucking hell!!!!

I can’t believe that people find it so hard to see through Duffield’s cry bullying

Having witnessed Rosie's 'bullying' on twitter, I can't believe that people find it so hard to believe.

And there was enough 'bullying' from colleagues, or maybe you have an especially high bar of bullying that she has to endure for you to acknowledge it.

Thank you Rosie . The women standing up for women to retain the significance of our language, our right to come together as women, our right to space that only women can access, are overwhelmingly those who have had the most dire need of those spaces. That they are prepared to stand for this with these histories of domestic abuse should highlight their bravery and courage. I include J K Rowling in that category, Jean Hatchett and many more. These people are protecting the rights of the generation of girls born now. The comments by the Labour and Lib Dem leaders recently have been spineless, entirely ignorant of the issues, and totally despising of women. But I'm afraid most of my ire goes towards the women who stand with these unspeakable statements who really should know better.

Well said Rosie

@Greywhippet

ArcheryAnnie

Rosie Duffield would have been perfectly safe at Labour Party conference as she well knows.

Are women supposed to completely ignore rape and death threats now? What's happened to safeguarding?

Why are death and rape threats a crime in the first place? A crime potentially leading to a 10 year sentence?

Why is it that extreme gender ideologists are given carte blanche to issue rape and death threats like they're above the law, and then the extremists brush it all off "oh Rosie Duffield knows full well she'll be safe we were a just having a laugh your honour". No it's not a laugh. You don't get to brush it off. You should be sentenced for it.

It's outrageous.