To say let's all give a quiet wave of support to Rosie Duffield MP

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We've got your back Rosie. In the words of Tony Benn, there are millions of people in your wilderness.

Wave of support.

Anyone else?

Yep, I stand with Rosie too.

Rosie’s bravery puts the rest of the Labour Party to shame.
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Courage calls to courage everywhere.

She is my MP and I have always supported her. She always stands up for what I believe.

I stand with Rosie

Thank you Rosie

Thanks you Rosie, you are very brave and you are also right.

Waves enthusiastically

We need more Rosies!!!
I have MASSIVE respect for anyone who sticks up for women and our rights to identity and safety.
Go Rosie xx

The only issue I have with the OP is that the words female and male cannot mean both sex and gender identity if we want to discuss things without confusion. Either sex can have a feminine or masculine gender identity or none at all.

This is true aaaaargh sorry.
I prefer usually to use "male" & "female" for gender, and "man/boy" and "woman/girl" for sex and should have done that here for clarity.

@SummerWhisper

"The rights of biological women to single sex spaces" - the only single sex spaces I can think of are female toilets and changing rooms - is that correct? How would a trans woman affect those spaces?

IF this is a genuine question, please educate yourself by reading these for starters:

www.thenational.scot/news/19115916.womens-aid-groups-defunded/

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/mridrul-wadha-sacro-and-the-14-million

I stand with Rosie Duffield, and with logic and reason and science.

I absolutely support trans people's rights to be treated equally and with respect and dignity, not to face harrasment or unequal treatment, and to be allowed to live fear from harm - but women need to have that right too. We need journalists to STOP allowing politicians to immediately deflect to 'trans' issues when these questions come up, and say this is not a trans issue but a womens' rights issue. Allowing politicians to immediately deflect to the "most marginalised/suicidal" in society tropes, means they get away with not addressing WOMEN's legally held protections, and addressing how self ID impacts on 51% of the population, on muslim women, on traumatised women etc.

We HAVE to be able to have conversations about where it is proportionate to exclude male bodies (rape crisis centres, prisons, refuges, hospitals, care homes for vulnerable adults and children, children's homes, sports) and women have to be allowed (if they chose) to have all women meetings (such as the Bristol uni students or menopause/pregnancy loss/breast cancer support groups) - men aren't being denied these spaces.

the only single sex spaces I can think of are female toilets and changing rooms - is that correct? How would a trans woman affect those spaces?

As people have said, it affects multitude of spaces. But let's start with changing rooms since that's an easy one.

Your slim, light 16 year old daughter goes into the women's changing room for swimming. She is followed in by a muscular 6ft 2 "transwoman" who self identifies this way but has had no treatment or surgery. She is unmistakably biologically male in appearance due to adam's apple, brow ridges, body shape.

Now what if that trans woman is also attracted to women? So actually you have a physically dominant person, sexually attracted to people of your daughters sex, watching them change. What if they are the only two people in there? What if the trans women exposes their genitals to your daughter "because they are changing"?

The physical dominance that a biological man has means:

• they are likely to be much faster. Your daughter probably can't run away.
• they are likely to be taller, with longer arms and legs, and can restrain your daughter more easily.
• they are likely to be stronger, and able to hurt and overpower your daughter.

Even if nothing happens, your daughter is likely to feel scared, anxious and intimidated.

Still think the presence of a trans woman in a women's changing room doesn't affect it?

Thank you Rosie, the voice of reason.

Thank you Rosie.

@SummerWhisper

"The rights of biological women to single sex spaces" - the only single sex spaces I can think of are female toilets and changing rooms - is that correct? How would a trans woman affect those spaces?

Others have mentioned prisons, women’s refuges, sports etc.

But also, it’s really not just about trans women being in those spaces. Self ID will erode women’s boundaries- any biological man (regardless of how he looks, acts, actually feels about his ‘gender’) will be able to access these spaces if he decides to identify as a woman, and women won’t be able to say no.

Many male sex offenders are currently being housed in women’s prisons as a result, and the results are as one might expect.

FFS fucking kier starmer.
Your the reason Torys are going to be in power forever.
I think I quite like “the man” but jesus wept he should be all over boris Johnson (given his qc experience). But no he’s like a fucking wet blanket struggling to tell off a 4 year old. Shit like this turns off a huge chunk of the voters, given the huge chunk of the population are women, and again, a big chunk of them are concerned about rights of women disappearing.
Where are we meant to vote?

Yep, she’s brilliant

Thank you Rosie for the courage of your convictions and using your voice and position to speak the truth out loud.

I stand with you

Me too,

Thank you Rosie, I'm sorry you're not being supported by your leader

@SummerWhisper. I’d love to hope that was an honest question.

Now posters have pointed out the broad spectrum of women only spaces, both physical and otherwise can you understand why this is an issue?

I don’t mean to pick on you but I’m really interested to know whether those who are uncertain:unclear ever reflect on their position?

I stand with Rosie.

Thank you for your courage, Rosie. I am so sorry for all the bullying you've endured and continue to endure simply for speaking the truth.

Well done Rosie

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Waving!

May actually vote Tory next time. Swore I never would, but they've left me no choice tbh 🤷‍♀️