Angela Raynor

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I think her comments today were spot on, although not really professional she makes a valid point.

@Againstmachine care to explain your comment about the rotherham child abuse scandal ?

That response just shows how out of touch you are with how many of us small business owners have to operate.

And how would you suggest workers on low wages make ends meet when rents and other living costs are so expensive?

Locals councils don't actually make money. They need money from businesses to survive. A fact that seems to bypass most left wingers.

@elodie77

That response just shows how out of touch you are with how many of us small business owners have to operate.

And how would you suggest workers on low wages make ends meet when rents and other living costs are so expensive?

Affordable housing - particularly council and housing association rentals.

Whoever is in government may not care about people struggling, but they will eventually have to be pragmatic enough to deal with the impact on society.

Failure to tackle it doesn't just harm those at the bottom (and now, the middle). It costs the state a lot of money. It's a false economy.

Tealightsandd

Agreed.

It creates instability - eventually a tinderbox situation - as well as costing money.

Do people really think that the creation of the welfare state, public schooling, and the NHS was done out of altruism? It really wasn't the main motivation.

I really don’t agree scum is in common usage, it’s an offensive way to describe anyone in all classes of society IMO and it might be deserved but I stand by my view that it’s not a good political move to say it in public and it puts off potential voters and unless Labour make themselves electable they are not going to achieve anything.

Add to that I’ve been deeply unimpressed by AR and her TWAW no debate stance and I’m completely bemused by the seeming suggestion by David Lammy that “city lawyers” can help solve the legal aid crisis by doing more pro bono. I hope there’s more detail to this but if that’s a real suggestion by David Lammy and Starmer as opposed to properly funding legal aid with people who know what they’re doing then it’s disgraceful.

I really don’t agree scum is in common usage

It is in my house.
There's fucking scum everywhere. Doesn't matter how poor, wealthy, intelligent or dumb etc. Anyone can be a scum bag and behave in a scummy way.

@Againstmachine care to explain your comment about the rotherham child abuse scandal ?

Kier starmer was in charge of CPS whilst it was happening, also his MP Naz Shah has been uncaring about it. We have a mp.in Rotherham who cares but she is fighting against the party.

Whether or not they are scum people are menat to be professional in the role as a MP, there is much better ways to criticize.

@WormYourHonour

I really don’t agree scum is in common usage

It is in my house.
There's fucking scum everywhere. Doesn't matter how poor, wealthy, intelligent or dumb etc. Anyone can be a scum bag and behave in a scummy way.

Saying “oh you scum bag” to your teen who has left a mess is different from saying “you are homophobic, racist misogynistic scum” to him. I’d say the former and definitely not the latter and it jars for me (and I’m not at all precious about robust language)

The thread I like to start is: A.I.B.U to think that Angela Raynor was the Bully that everyone at school was frightened of !

@peewitsandy

The thread I like to start is: A.I.B.U to think that Angela Raynor was the Bully that everyone at school was frightened of !

YANBU!!

@peewitsandy

The thread I like to start is: A.I.B.U to think that Angela Raynor was the Bully that everyone at school was frightened of !

You've got it. I was never bullied at school but I knew who the bullies were. It all happened in the loos.

I don't really have any strong feelings about Angela Rayner and I don't care that she called Conservatives scum. And I doubt the Tories will either. I guess they'll have their own words to describe her. We'll see if it raises the LPs standing with the public but I guess her only concern will be whether it raises hers.
Like her I come from Manchrster and I've lived there and in Lancashire my whole life. I really object to her saying that the word scum is commonly used in northern working class towns because it really isn't. I've never heard people referring to other people as scum either at work or out socialising. I'm sure it happens but it is not an everyday occurrence and a bit of a laugh. Just because AR has a foul mouth, she shouldn't tar the rest of us with it. I feel disgusted by her trying to cool the heat of her words by condemning northern people as being as foul as her. As a northern person she is not encouraging me to vote Labour.

@elodie77

That response just shows how out of touch you are with how many of us small business owners have to operate.

And how would you suggest workers on low wages make ends meet when rents and other living costs are so expensive?

Probably better than they would do if they were unemployed which is basically the alternative in many cases.

@Againstmachine what did starmer do wrong ? Certainly some tory mps doctored an interview to suggest he was dismissive about child grooming gangs. This has now been deleted. And Naz Shah won legal action and an apology from an anti EU group accusing her of being an apologist for child grooming. They accepted in court that she was a vociferous campaigner against it......

Go Keir - agree with all he said! Liveability and sustainability!

@elodie77

That response just shows how out of touch you are with how many of us small business owners have to operate.

And how would you suggest workers on low wages make ends meet when rents and other living costs are so expensive?

If the minimum wage is £15, how much will I have to pay for skilled workers... and then this price will be passed back on to the customer as I will have to raise my prices, thus earning £15 a hour will mean that due to inflation you would be no better off.

Stop buy to let and have rent caps maybe. Housing shouldn't be used to make wealthy people richer.

After the comedy show of the last four days of the Labour Party Conference we hear more epic stupidity.

This time suggestive of a minimum wage of £15 per hour or about £29,000 a year based on a 37 hour week.

That is not only about the average salary in the U.K but about what Graduates who have been in the workforce two or three years will typically earn

Do these people not understand that this is just idiotic . I think minimum wages that are placed at stupid and unrealistic rates actually of the effect of bringing down wages. Example a job that should be a £12-14 Pound Per hour is reduced to minimum wag of £8.91.

They seem to be doing wishing list finances again

I don't agree - his ideas were sound and pragmatic, aiming to create a fairer society that works for everyone.

It might sound fairer but it has to stack up financially.

Labour did this last time under Corbyn.

It might sound fairer but it has to stack up financially.

Of course, but what makes you think his plans won't?

Who would you rather trust with the country's finances?

www.cer.eu/insights/cost-brexit-may-2021

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/30/boris-johnson-plans-to-sink-200m-into-new-ship-of-state

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47228698

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/16/boris-johnson-accused-of-costing-taxpayers-1bn-on-london-mayor-projects

@MarshaBradyo

It might sound fairer but it has to stack up financially.

Labour did this last time under Corbyn.

And what happened? The wonderful low tax Tory government that everyone voted for embarked on the biggest spending spree for decades, with its mates the main beneficiaries. While we now have worse public services. At least with Labour I approve of what they’re spending my money on and I’m pretty sure it’s not going into millionaires’ pockets.