Trans by Helen Joyce 99p on Kindle. AIBU...

[HereticFanjo]

... To suggest you read it if you still think Mumsnet is full of meanie transphobes? If you hide any thread that mentions gender identity? If you're politically homeless because politicians like Keir Starmer are too busy arguing about 'cervix havers' to actually lead the opposition against this shitshow government?

This is not the time for ostriching or #BeKind. It's the time to wake up to the harm gender identity politics is doing to our society, democracy and free speech and to so many vulnerable individuals. Especially children with autism and dysphoria and vulnerable women and children who are being browbeaten into allowing men to access their previously semi-safe spaces.

Stop relegating this stuff to FWR. The opposition parties are devouring themselves over this and losing women voters by the thousand. Meanwhile the Tories are merrily destroying our public services.

Possible to care about more than one thing... And yet not possible to support all women's rights, including those of trans women?

Trans women are adult males. They do not need womens rights which are there due to our historic and continued oppression by males due to our sex. In order for males to have the open access to all female only spaces, sports, rape shelters, prisons etc they demand, these legal protections have to be removed.

Have you any idea what that actually means?

Telling us using the words woman/women in any context relating to female biology is 'offensive' and 'phobic' ffs.

We are in a situation where a group of males, from the oppressor class, are claiming to be oppressed because they can't have access to every space where females and children are at their most vulnerable.
They claim to be uncomfortable or unsafe around men so need to be in our spaces, yet don't allow females that same consideration when we point out the fucking irony of not wanting fully intact adult males in OUR spaces.

What do you think will happen when we are no longer allowed anything or anywhere without including males? We are already being told that female boundaries and safeguarding are 'transphobic'

How the fuck can we politically advocate for women's very specific needs as a sex class if we can no longer name ourselves as separate and distinct from males?

Why are young lesbians being told by adult males that their legally protected sexual orientation is bigoted and 'phobic' while adults who should know better are just ignoring this blatant homophobia, gaslighting, rapey conversion therapy.

So what rights of these adult males are you supporting then?

Thank you OP I've been meaning to read this, just downloaded

Downloaded, thank you

Thanks OP Looking forward to reading this.

Yay. Thanks for the heads up. Have been looking forward to reading this. Bargain.

Do let people know who might be interested. I know the original price was probably too steep for a lot of people, I bought it because I was already interested but now I have the Kindle copy I can pass it on.

You're doing a great job HereticFanjo (great username BTW) and I'm delighted you haven't been shunted off to MN Siberia.

Thanks for the heads up. Off to purchase this.

[quote HereticFanjo]@CorrBlimeyGG I'm extremely concerned about austerity, which is one reason why I posted this thread. The opposition parties are so busy devouring themselves over identity politics that they are not actually providing any opposition to the government.

I've spent my career working with some of the most vulnerable and underprivileged women and children you could ever meet. These are the women who will be most likely to be harmed by extreme ideologies that take away their right to safe spaces because they can't afford alternatives. The Tories are taking these spaces with austerity; the opposition parties are taking them by refusing to accept the reality that women have a need for the Equality Act in all sorts of ways. Because of this many women can no longer vote for them.

It's actually only the most privileged of people who can afford to be dismissive of these issues. Labour is just one party ripping itself to pieces over this issue when we need a poverty-focused opposition party more than ever.

So for anyone interested in knowing more the book is 99p today and highly recommended.[/quote]
This is my point of view too. You've persuaded me to get it to find out more!

@Poppydoppy18

I looked it up on Apple Books but unfortunately it was £9. Will definitely buy it if it’s on sale at some point. Thanks for the recommendation!

Poppydoppy you can get a Kindle app for iPad and iPhone

Bumping this because I'm assuming the 99p thing is today only.

I feel like one of those street food vendors shouting, 'Get 'em while they're hot!'

I got a hard copy when it was released but I’ve just bought the kindle version anyway - 99p - bargain! I can loan my hard copy out now.

Bought, thank you OP

YANBU, but given that these are the type of folk screaming that JK Rowling is a raging transphobe but haven't read what she actually wrote, I doubt they're intellectually capable of reading a whole book.

Well I'm sure this attitude will certainly help to get people on your side.

Thanks for starting this important thread, OP - I’ve just ordered it too. Heartening to see it’s the #1 bestseller in the kindle store!

That's great news. I bought and read a hard copy a few weeks ago. Brilliant book. Very eloquent. 99p - bargain!

Downloaded, thanks for highlighting this OP

I'm not a fan of the Kindle, but I think I'll buy a copy!

I am one of those people who feel uncomfortable with the tone of the debate on both sides, but have tended to feel more kindly towards the trans side because it seems like they have a more of a difficult time of it than most.
I've bought the book when I otherwise wouldn't have partly because it's 99p but also because I saw that Lancet cover yesterday and thought 'what the fuck is happening?!'. That and I had a visceral reaction when someone at work suggested we all add our pronouns to our emails...

@Futurecatmum2

Thanks for starting this important thread, OP - I’ve just ordered it too. Heartening to see it’s the #1 bestseller in the kindle store!

Great news!

Thanks OP. I'd been planning to buy the book at some point, money allowing. I've just spent my last 99p on the kindle version. I'm not a kindle fan really. But needs must

2 hours to go!

I'm assuming it's a Cinderella thing and the carriage will turn into a pumpkin again at midnight

@Level75

I am one of those people who feel uncomfortable with the tone of the debate on both sides, but have tended to feel more kindly towards the trans side because it seems like they have a more of a difficult time of it than most. I've bought the book when I otherwise wouldn't have partly because it's 99p but also because I saw that Lancet cover yesterday and thought 'what the fuck is happening?!'. That and I had a visceral reaction when someone at work suggested we all add our pronouns to our emails...

what the fuck is happening, indeed

If this book does anything, it gives some analysis on how politics and organisations keen to do the right thing can be manipulated to the point where Lancet thinks using a title calling women ‘bodies with vaginas’, charities can use the term ‘black birthing bodies’ and politicians feel that stating that no female should ever have access to a female only space (Ed Davey) or that it shouldn’t be said that ‘only women have cervixes’.

Just being able to understand how this movement came to this point is useful.

@Nichebitch

Not going to respond to this. Just came to say, if you don’t want people to patronise you, don’t patronise people. Meaning “if people just read this… or if people just understood that”. Well, some of us have read, understood, and still have a very different opinion to yours. We don’t need to be educated, and we would very much like this debate to stay on the board that was made for the rest of us to carry on enjoying mumsnet without having to read about this crap any more.

And yet you did respond to it.

So you have read it? What things did it discuss that you felt were false? Or didn’t agree with?

Otherwise, you have taken the time to admonish others for their point of view on a thread clearly titled, that you simply felt you couldn’t filter out and scroll past.

Probably my final bump of the night. Congratulations to everyone who managed to get their copy for 99p. I paid full price when it came out - but it was worth it! Enjoy the read but be prepared to be shocked.