To think that grown men on trains shouldn't behave like this?

[Iamnotminterested]

I travelled from Euston to Manchester this evening. Within 2 minutes of getting on the train most of the seats around me were taken by football fans who'd travelled down to watch Man City v Chelsea, who pretty much straight away cracked open can after can of lager and shouted/responded football chants down the carriage...except that these weren't young fans, but rather men in their 50s and 60s who quite frankly were a fucking embarrassment, and I as a single female traveller mid-carriage felt mightily uncomfortable.

AIBU to think that men of this age should get a grip and not behave on public transport this way, and make me (and the other women who I spoke to after at Piccadilly) feel uncomfortable and glad to arrive?

I really wish they'd ban booze on trains. What it's like for the poor staff, goodness only knows.

God the toilets can you imagine? Covered in urine and god knows what. I was on a train recently with lots of football fans, a couple of families with grandad, dad and son all managing to not be drunk and a group of young men who were absolutely trashed. Effing and blinding telling filthy unpleasant stories about young women. It was 10am there were quite a few kids on the train along with mine. To be fair there were a couple in the group that were really embarrassed and kept trying to tone them down. I did say thanks to them. I’ve seen plenty of groups of women screeching and vomiting too so it’s definitely the booze not the sex of the drinker.

I agree with the comment about football culture. A lot of grown men acting like idiots, chanting stupid songs and thinking they're clever. Pathetic. Also, they are not supposed to drink alcohol on the tube but it doesn't seem to be monitored.

I think it's equally stupid if women on hen nights behave in a similarly rowdy way (and I have never come across this by the way but have on several occasions encountered groups of boorish football fans on the tube lurching around on the platform and carriage) but it's not really comparable to dozens of hefty men bellowing at the tops of their voices and slurping from cans of lager - which can feel very intimidating.

Alcohol is the problem.

It regularly happens from Euston. I have catching the train when it's like it, more often than not it's more than a few and it.doesnt feel like banter. They shout and sweat to such a degree that I can't hear anything else. I don't think they realise nor care that it's intimidating. You're classed as being a killjoy. Last time they came a and sat around me and jeerd when I tried to move. It's horrible feeling that.

There is absolutely no reason at all that alcohol should be permitted on any form of public transport.

I don’t give a shiny shit that Claire from accounting will miss her Friday night glass of wine in the way home, or that Mike would miss a glass of whiskey with his dad on the way to the cricket. There are too many assholes, and zero tolerance is the only my way to beat it.

I heard that the age of the average football bfan is skewing older and older each year, as young fans can't afford it.

I a free it is pretty sad, apparently the average football hooligan is now in their 50s, embarrassing :(

I was on the train the other night when a crowd of women were shouting ‘I’m too drunk to fuck’ and one of them proceeded to vomit everywhere. Some football fans are stupid, some women on a night out are stupid.

@Susannahmoody bizarre statement. Football fans are the same abroad

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Yup. No football where I live though

I travelled Crewe to Euston on Saturday morning with 9 yr old DS. Thank his those idiots got the Manchester train as they were drinking and chanting ronaldo at 9am!!

@MrsArchchancellorRidcully

I travelled Crewe to Euston on Saturday morning with 9 yr old DS. Thank his those idiots got the Manchester train as they were drinking and chanting ronaldo at 9am!!

Bit surprising that since Man City were playing in London but United were playing at home. Doubt City fans would be chanting Ronaldo name some how

@myadhdusername

The real question is were the following Proper Train Etiquette and sifting next to each other rather than across from each other at tables. That’s my main concern.

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As a pp pointed out though, hen nights can be just as rowdy.
It's not comfortable being on a train with any large group of pissed up people.
Not sure what age has to do with anything, should people know better after hitting a certain age?

I’ve probably seen it all in my many years. I’ve NEVER felt threatened by hen groups. Disgusted, yes, threatened, no. (and PLEASE wear knickers!)

Pissed up people, egging each other on? Quite frightening at times. I texted BTP on one train the aggression was so bad. They did a brilliant quick removal two stations later. (Euston bound, late at night) Peace at last…

As for age being relevant, surely you expect maturity to kick in at some point?

Meh
Were you hurt or abused?

Err, you have to actually be assaulted for public alcohol abuse to be a problem do you?

I hate it. I can't stand football.

Missing the point a bit here.

We need to ban alcohol from public transport. There's no reason or need for it to be on board. I used to commute by train and every single time there was someone breaking out a 6 pack at 7.30am. If you can't get through a train journey without an alcoholic drink, you have a problem.

I used to go to Torbay to visit my mum two maybe three times a year. The outward trip was usually good, except at Glastonbury time. I’d stay a couple of nights and return on an evening train.

Many times in the evening young men were getting rid of 6-packs like crazy. One guy, on his own, worked his way through his Fosters pack, and then unbelievably reached down and got another from his bag. Three cans into that, it was his stop. In the dark, the station lights lit up the platform and a row of cars in the car park. Straight through the gate, he unlocked his car and got in the driver’s seat…

God the toilets can you imagine? Covered in urine…

That, unfortunately, reminds me. Another, similar train trip to above. Three guys knocking back cans, standing right next to the auto door/luggage area. As a result the door remains permanently open with all the racket that goes with that.

Their revolting conversation was deliberately aimed at upsetting people. It became obvious at one point that one of them decided the trip to the adjacent toilet was too far and he just relieved himself in the luggage corner.

Newton's laws of motion ensured that a stream of orange fizzy piss ran down the linoleum aisle. The smell was awful. I got ahead of it in the other direction, and luckily I was only two stops to home…

It can be intimidating but they sound harmless from the OP. In these circumstances, they were just having fun. There are designated quiet coaches if you want quiet

For all those who say this is OK, so it's also fine for me to allow my child to sing raucously and loudly and intimidate others on public transport then?

And there was I bothering to teach them to sit nicely, talk quietly, listen to their tablet with headphones, not get in other people's way and generally behave in a way which is considerate of others. Silly me...

Or is it only adult drunks in football shirts or hen/stag costumes who have an opt-out from civilised behaviour ?

@Macncheeseballs

Fin, Well that's a shame, a nice glass of white wine no longer allowed cos groups of wanky pissed up male tossers ruin it for everyone else

YABU to think you'd get a "nice" glass of white wine on a train

G and t then

I was on a train once and a group of rugby fans got on. They pulled the communication cord for a "joke." The train stopped in the Severn tunnel and we were there for hours as there was some problem in getting re-started. We had to wait for a train from the same company to shunt us out, as they did not want to pay another company to do it - how barmy is that?

The irony was that we had slipped easily through the channel tunnel but finished up spending hours in the Severn.

I share others' dislike of football culture.

Bit surprising that since Man City were playing in London but United were playing at home.
Doubt City fans would be chanting Ronaldo name some how

Surely the poster encountered Man U fans whilst at Crewe Station and the fans were travelling from Crewe to Manchester. She got on the Euston train, they got on the Manchester train. Unless you are a fan of a team or football in general you tend
to have no idea of who is playing at home or away.

Very well said @Goldbar !

swimlyn That's the trouble with all this beer drinking. What goes in must come out, and if the train is too crowded to get to the loo...ugh!

Just football banter why feel uncomfortable?😀 I've had far worse travelling than this.
Let them be,it's been a very hard time they are just letting off steam.it would have made .me laugh and join in!😊

@exiledfromcornwall

swimlyn That's the trouble with all this beer drinking. What goes in must come out, and if the train is too crowded to get to the loo...ugh!

Well, as I described, he was about 2 metres from the toilet. Nobody in his way.

It was, I'm sure, a deliberate act of defiance/insult.

I'm astonished posters think it's letting off steam or banter.