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About the level of fear over returning to the office?

228 replies

Hilyie · 25/09/2021 17:47

We all currently WFH, our employer has said that this is the way forward, and we won't go back to working even weekly in the office - indeed we can't as our building has been partly sold off so there's only room for a limited number at any one time . The suggestion by our organisation is that within our teams and workgroups we try to attend the office 'a few times a year'. Apparently the ideal is once a month but there's no hard and fast rules.

As a department, we're currently trying to make arrangements to get people in the office a couple of times before the end of the year. But the level of anxiety is unbelievable.

Most people are vaccinated (personally I'm not, but the majority are), under 50, and with no underlying health conditions, not carers for those who are high risk etc. Very few have had Covid (that they know of)

Yet so far we've had some refusing outright to come in at all because they don't feel safe, others saying they would come to the office but refuse to use public transport as it's too dangerous, some saying they would come in if everyone had done a LFT beforehand (this is not required by our employer, though they are doing other checks) some saying they'll come in but want to sit 2m apart from anyone and if we get together for a meeting insist on everyone wearing masks or that we'll have to sit outside. Someone else wants to go home at lunch because 'its not safe to eat in the office' and so on. There are probably even more examples of what people won't do.

These people all worked side by side 18 months ago, ate lunch at their desks, chatted by the water cooler etc, all very normal. Yet now it feels like they're scared to leave the house.

Are we just unlucky or are other people this concerned? It feels like any semblance of our work environment will never return!

OP posts:
FangsForTheMemory · 26/09/2021 10:05

I wouldn’t want to share an office with people who weren’t vaccinated and how do you know who is? They walk among us.

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 26/09/2021 10:14

@FangsForTheMemory

I wouldn’t want to share an office with people who weren’t vaccinated and how do you know who is? They walk among us.
I have to sit in a room with unvaccinated children. It’s the same for hospital workers, shop workers, bus drivers et al. You pray that your own vaccine will work. It’s definitely not a valid reason to avoid going back to the office. If you can genuinely wfh and provide a good service (I have my doubts in a lot of cases), enjoy it but don’t expect anything other than hollow laughing if you claim you’re too scared to go back to work.
GoldenOmber · 26/09/2021 10:15

The former would have been solved if the legal obligation for face coverings had been kept (Mr Johnson to blame for that)

Haha no. Then it becomes “I can’t be expected to take public transport to the office, some people aren’t wearing face coverings and pretending they’re exempt.” Or “I can’t be expected to take public transport to the office, masks aren’t going to stop me being exposed to the delta variant when cases are so high.” Or “Covid is still out there you know!”

Source: my colleagues, in a country where masks are still law.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 26/09/2021 10:16

@FangsForTheMemory

I wouldn’t want to share an office with people who weren’t vaccinated and how do you know who is? They walk among us.
Do you have children? You're at more risk from them.
User135644 · 26/09/2021 11:55

@FindingMeno

Plus, anyone who has kids in school are already dipping into the most covid soaked pool of society atm so going into the office should be the least of their worries.
Maybe they don't want to be sat next to people who are sending kids to school every day.
TheKeatingFive · 26/09/2021 12:13

The idea that we would be able to keep everyone ‘safe’ from a highly infectious disease forever was always fantasy. Lockdown and all the wfh measures that involved were to buy time for vaccines, which we have now thankfully, and they’ve cut most people’s risk of serious disease to a tiny, tiny percentage.

The CEV I have a lot of sympathy for, particularly the immunocompromised, but if those not at any great risk want to keep hiding away, they’ll have to reorganise their own lives to do so. Go get an entirely wfh job if that’s what you want, but the office hold outs are getting a bit much now,

Belladonna12 · 26/09/2021 12:51

Maybe people have a good reason for "holding out" going into the office. OP employers don't seem that bothered about staff going in and if the business has survived this with everyone homeworking so far, is not surprising. My organisation has a similar policy at the moment and a colleague is hassling everyone to meet. I have a close family member is very vulnerable and have no intention of returning to meetings. I have worked at home for many years i.e. long before Covid and while I did go into meetings once a month there seems no need to do is there now everyone has got used to talking on Teams.

I totally disagree with the attitude that we will never be safe from Covid and therefore should just give up now . As soon as all the non-vaccinated people have had it there will be more immunity and fewer cases.

TheKeatingFive · 26/09/2021 12:57

Maybe people have a good reason for "holding out" going into the office.

If they do and their employers are fine with that, great. If they do and their employers aren’t then they should probably be looking for another job.

What suits one business won’t suit another.

TheKeatingFive · 26/09/2021 12:57

As soon as all the non-vaccinated people have had it there will be more immunity and fewer cases.

When do you think that’s likely to happen by?

Waxonwaxoff0 · 26/09/2021 12:59

@Belladonna12

Maybe people have a good reason for "holding out" going into the office. OP employers don't seem that bothered about staff going in and if the business has survived this with everyone homeworking so far, is not surprising. My organisation has a similar policy at the moment and a colleague is hassling everyone to meet. I have a close family member is very vulnerable and have no intention of returning to meetings. I have worked at home for many years i.e. long before Covid and while I did go into meetings once a month there seems no need to do is there now everyone has got used to talking on Teams.

I totally disagree with the attitude that we will never be safe from Covid and therefore should just give up now . As soon as all the non-vaccinated people have had it there will be more immunity and fewer cases.

Non vaccinated - you mean children then?

Interesting that you think adults should try and avoid getting Covid but are happy for non vaccinated (kids) to get it to help with immunity.

Belladonna12 · 26/09/2021 13:06

@TheKeatingFive

Maybe people have a good reason for "holding out" going into the office.

If they do and their employers are fine with that, great. If they do and their employers aren’t then they should probably be looking for another job.

What suits one business won’t suit another.

Obviously, but it sounds as OP's organisation aren't bothered about whether people go in if they are stating that there is no hard and fast rule and once a month would be okay. My employers are similar and I have no intention of going in for the foreseeable future.
Belladonna12 · 26/09/2021 13:08

@TheKeatingFive

As soon as all the non-vaccinated people have had it there will be more immunity and fewer cases.

When do you think that’s likely to happen by?

It could easily be by Christmas at the rate we are going.
TheKeatingFive · 26/09/2021 13:10

It could easily be by Christmas at the rate we are going.

Say what now?

You think all school children will be infected by Christmas?

Belladonna12 · 26/09/2021 13:11

Interesting that you think adults should try and avoid getting Covid but are happy for non vaccinated (kids) to get it to help with immunity.

Where did I say that I am happy for nonvaccinated kids to get it to help with immunity?Hmm I think children over 12 should have had the opportunity to be vaccinated by now as they have been in other countries. My own DD is vaccinated.

TheKeatingFive · 26/09/2021 13:11

The issue for the OP’s workplace is resentment building as most go in and some continue to hold out.

Especially as the ask isn’t onerous.

Belladonna12 · 26/09/2021 13:13

@TheKeatingFive

It could easily be by Christmas at the rate we are going.

Say what now?

You think all school children will be infected by Christmas?

I think they should be vaccinated. If they aren't they will be infected by Christmas. It is estimated that 50% of them have had it already, apparently.
Waxonwaxoff0 · 26/09/2021 13:13

@Belladonna12

Interesting that you think adults should try and avoid getting Covid but are happy for non vaccinated (kids) to get it to help with immunity.

Where did I say that I am happy for nonvaccinated kids to get it to help with immunity?Hmm I think children over 12 should have had the opportunity to be vaccinated by now as they have been in other countries. My own DD is vaccinated.

Well, you essentially said that vaccinated people should try and stay safe until all the unvaccinated people have had Covid. Which is children.
Waxonwaxoff0 · 26/09/2021 13:13

Under 12s won't be vaccinated.

TheKeatingFive · 26/09/2021 13:14

There is no plan at all to vaccinate under 12s

Belladonna12 · 26/09/2021 13:16

@TheKeatingFive

The issue for the OP’s workplace is resentment building as most go in and some continue to hold out.

Especially as the ask isn’t onerous.

OP is resentful but it doesn't sound like her workplace is. Maybe her colleagues are resentful that she has not got vaccinated and that's why they are avoiding going in. A bit hypocritical to complain about people being scared of covid is presumably too scared of adverse effects of the vaccine to be vaccinated.
TheKeatingFive · 26/09/2021 13:18

I don’t think the only people likely to get resentful are the unvaccinated.

The OP’s workplace presumably contains a diverse range of people.

HighHighHopes · 26/09/2021 13:18

@Invasionofthegutsnatchers

Pffft. Try being a teacher breathing in 32 people's air all day as they paw at you and lick things.
Hmm 🙄
seaandsandcastles · 26/09/2021 13:19

@VladmirsPoutine

To be honest. And very honest I think that a lot of those people refusing aren't anxious or worried in the slightest (I speak as one of these people) - it's just that WFH has been so bloody brilliant that I'd rather continue to do so. I hate office politics, I don't like eating and chatting with my colleagues and I've achieved a great work/life balance like this. I'm still getting my work done but I don't want to hear about Linda's new baby nor James' recent trip to Dubai over the water cooler. Of course I can't word it like that so I'd rather go for the 'worried and concerned' approach.

I'm no longer spending stupid money and time on commuting. Let people be.

And this is exactly why you need to nip their excuses in the bud and not allow them.

Softly softly is ridiculous and let’s people take the piss. They either come in, or they find another job.

Belladonna12 · 26/09/2021 13:20

Well, you essentially said that vaccinated people should try and stay safe until all the unvaccinated people have had Covid. Which is children.

I didn't say that at all. Stop trying to put words into my mouth.

walksen · 26/09/2021 13:46

"Interesting that you think adults should try and avoid getting Covid but are happy for non vaccinated (kids) to get it to help with immunity".

To be fair this does seem to be the government's approach and a lot of parents too on the grounds that most kids don't get Ill and natural immunity is apparently superior to the vaccine. There are crowds of people outside some schools with signs saying so...