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About the level of fear over returning to the office?

228 replies

Hilyie · 25/09/2021 17:47

We all currently WFH, our employer has said that this is the way forward, and we won't go back to working even weekly in the office - indeed we can't as our building has been partly sold off so there's only room for a limited number at any one time . The suggestion by our organisation is that within our teams and workgroups we try to attend the office 'a few times a year'. Apparently the ideal is once a month but there's no hard and fast rules.

As a department, we're currently trying to make arrangements to get people in the office a couple of times before the end of the year. But the level of anxiety is unbelievable.

Most people are vaccinated (personally I'm not, but the majority are), under 50, and with no underlying health conditions, not carers for those who are high risk etc. Very few have had Covid (that they know of)

Yet so far we've had some refusing outright to come in at all because they don't feel safe, others saying they would come to the office but refuse to use public transport as it's too dangerous, some saying they would come in if everyone had done a LFT beforehand (this is not required by our employer, though they are doing other checks) some saying they'll come in but want to sit 2m apart from anyone and if we get together for a meeting insist on everyone wearing masks or that we'll have to sit outside. Someone else wants to go home at lunch because 'its not safe to eat in the office' and so on. There are probably even more examples of what people won't do.

These people all worked side by side 18 months ago, ate lunch at their desks, chatted by the water cooler etc, all very normal. Yet now it feels like they're scared to leave the house.

Are we just unlucky or are other people this concerned? It feels like any semblance of our work environment will never return!

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Waxonwaxoff0 · 25/09/2021 23:21

@lljkk

I would like to hear more from factory workers, food packers, security guards, supermarket staff, care home staff, kitchen staff, agricultural labourers, taxi drivers, builders, bus drivers, other "low skill" job holders... who have had a MUCH higher risk of covid harms than office workers (or teachers).
Hi, factory worker here. No safety precautions although we were officially supposed to have some but it wasn't really put into practice! We did wear masks for a while after we had a big outbreak in January but they didn't last long. I caught Covid at work last month.
EastWestWhosBest · 25/09/2021 23:23

@lljkk

I would like to hear more from factory workers, food packers, security guards, supermarket staff, care home staff, kitchen staff, agricultural labourers, taxi drivers, builders, bus drivers, other "low skill" job holders... who have had a MUCH higher risk of covid harms than office workers (or teachers).
I agree. Bus drivers had the highest rate of covid and they don’t get to drive the bus on Teams while still in their PJs. Same for supermarket staff.

I think the reason you hear more from teachers is that I’m willing to bet there are more teachers on MN than there are bus drivers.

Ijustknowitstimetogo · 25/09/2021 23:25

got lockdown dogs and never thought about the long term consequence of that

Now that we know people can wfh why shouldn’t they be supported to work flexibly so they can get dogs? What’s wrong with people having better lives?

Some people really don’t want others to be happy do they. They just can’t bear the thought.

HalzTangz · 25/09/2021 23:29

@Hilyie

I'm not keen to turn this into a vaccination debate. But no one knows when they go to a shop, supermarket, pub, gym etc who around them is and isn't vaccinated. Yet as I've said most staff are living relatively normally, socialising etc outside of work. Its only now they've been asked to come in for 2 days by the end of the year that they're unhappy. But they're unhappy at home too.

I am sympathetic and certainly if they had health conditions or immediate family did, I'd entirely understand it. But this level of irrational fear is something I'm struggling with especially when it doesn't seem to equate with how most of them are living outside of work.

The irrational fear was caused by lockdowns, the government pretty much said getting near anyone including your own family may kill you. This went on for far to long, it's affected people to not be able to see beyond that. I know friends outside of work who have not left the confines of their garden or house (all shopping has been done online), they won't have friends or family over (not even in the garden). They are both young (28 and 30). They literally believe (despite having no health issues) they will get I'll or die if they mix with others. They won't entertain any talk that it's not as bad as they think
EastWestWhosBest · 25/09/2021 23:32

@Ijustknowitstimetogo

got lockdown dogs and never thought about the long term consequence of that

Now that we know people can wfh why shouldn’t they be supported to work flexibly so they can get dogs? What’s wrong with people having better lives?

Some people really don’t want others to be happy do they. They just can’t bear the thought.

Lots of jobs can’t be done from home. It’s not about not wanting people to be happy, buying a dog in lockdown because working from home made it possible was a stupid choice to make unless you knew that it was a permanent arrangement.
marieantoinehairnet · 25/09/2021 23:33

@Ijustknowitstimetogo

got lockdown dogs and never thought about the long term consequence of that

Now that we know people can wfh why shouldn’t they be supported to work flexibly so they can get dogs? What’s wrong with people having better lives?

Some people really don’t want others to be happy do they. They just can’t bear the thought.

No we must all be martyrs, suck it up, man up, be like the teachers - you chose teaching, you do that in a classroom. I chose to be an IT expert, I can do that in front of a computer, anywhere
Imnothereforthedrama · 25/09/2021 23:35

Hmm I’m very sceptical about this by September 2021 I doubt very much your colleagues Haven’t been on holiday or seen family or friends . Most people have been working in the office throughout and majority last few few months have been back . I don’t think anyway can get away with the it’s not safe excuse now.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 25/09/2021 23:37

@Ijustknowitstimetogo

got lockdown dogs and never thought about the long term consequence of that

Now that we know people can wfh why shouldn’t they be supported to work flexibly so they can get dogs? What’s wrong with people having better lives?

Some people really don’t want others to be happy do they. They just can’t bear the thought.

No issue with that, just stop whingeing about safety and just say you prefer WFH because it's more convenient for you.
Fizbosshoes · 25/09/2021 23:37

No it isn't, but they need help and a phased slow return, understanding and support.

But surely less than one day a month is a slow return....? Confused
Whats the alternative? One day a year?

marieantoinehairnet · 25/09/2021 23:40

@Fizbosshoes

No it isn't, but they need help and a phased slow return, understanding and support.

But surely less than one day a month is a slow return....? Confused
Whats the alternative? One day a year?

Perhaps then coming in be on one with the manager for a day, not a whole team shindig, building up not 0-100
TheBugHouse · 25/09/2021 23:43

I go in one day a week now and it’s fine. Every other desk wrapped up. Sanitiser everywhere and doors propped open. It’s nice to see friends and the day goes quicker. We all have to do one day and got to choose the day.

EastWestWhosBest · 25/09/2021 23:45

No we must all be martyrs, suck it up, man up, be like the teachers - you chose teaching, you do that in a classroom. I chose to be an IT expert, I can do that in front of a computer, anywhere

No teacher on this thread has claimed that they are a martyr. It has simply been pointed out that schools are operating exactly as they were pre pandemic, just the same as it is for a lot of other industries. It’s simply that teaching is a female dominated profession that is over represented on MN, therefore on threads like this there are lots of comments from teachers who are saying how it is in their work. If the demographic of MN users were different perhaps we would hear more from bus drivers, bin men, assembly line workers, builders, plumbers, carpenters all telling us that they are working as normal too.
If the office workers have children at school, used a supermarket, have been to shops, pubs, restaurants then they have no place to complain. Why should they be happy for other people to work in conditions they wouldn’t be comfortable with?

marieantoinehairnet · 25/09/2021 23:50

I suppose this all leads to the "levelling up" that your stupid blonde leader talks off, we don't live in a communist state, yet, where all must be equal

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 25/09/2021 23:55

It’s quite clearly a way to protect their rather nice new lifestyle rather than any genuine fear at this point. The idea of ‘refusing’ to work when we’ve all had the chance to be vaxxed is rather ridiculous too. Lots if us were working away from home when there were no vaccines and these people were quite happy for that to happen.

Unfortunately a lot of businesses with staff ‘working from home’ are now rather shite and will go under sooner rather than later.

EastWestWhosBest · 25/09/2021 23:55

@marieantoinehairnet

I suppose this all leads to the "levelling up" that your stupid blonde leader talks off, we don't live in a communist state, yet, where all must be equal
What?
BatshitCrazyWoman · 26/09/2021 05:29

I work for a charity and am back in the office. We're quite spread out, and have windows open (no air conditioning). And obviously the train and bus or tube commute. Apparently there's one person at my office who has only been out of her flat once since March last year. She's being asked to come in though. There's someone else who goes to watch football (major London team) but keeps leaving early because she doesn't want there to be lots of people on her train. I end up covering her work, and I am thoroughly pissed off. Our line manager is also unhappy. If your workplace wants you in, you go in or find another job, imo.

deeni · 26/09/2021 06:28

OP, why do you need people to come in? That seems to be the missing link here. I mean, I know it's obvious to you, but if it's just 10 random days throughout the year, then presumably it's a vague "come and keep in touch, isn't it nice to see each other?" idea more than a "this is vital for your work" thing.

If people don't agree with the idea that it's nice to meet up in person occasionally, then they just won't see the need the same way you do and might fight it more.

What if you had mandatory monthly in-person progress review meetings, which started off outdoors for people who are super-nervous and were limited to just a few people each time?

Pinkandpink · 26/09/2021 07:28

For the past year and a bit I have listened to my neighbour moan about how unsafe and scared she is to return to her office job. In this time o have saw her having friends round for parties, keeping the whole neighbourhood awake till she parties on week nights till 2am, kids sleepovers, poping in and out for activities with friends, night out, three week holiday. I could go on. She’s happy to have low paid workers run after her arse delivering her take aways and three catalogue/Amazon deliveries a week. Unsafe my bum! Just admit your comfy and don’t want to return to the office. What makes office workers any difference from the many many of the workforce who have been working right through. Iv been working in a warehouse right through and have never once felt unsafe.

TheKeatingFive · 26/09/2021 07:59

Perhaps then coming in be on one with the manager for a day, not a whole team shindig, building up not 0-100

That clearly doesn’t make sense for the business.

Vaccination rates are very high, it isn’t going to get better than this, many, many sectors are back to normal working patterns, I can’t see any justification for moving as slowly as you want to.

Fizbosshoes · 26/09/2021 08:23

Perhaps then coming in be on one with the manager for a day, not a whole team shindig, building up not 0-100

That clearly doesn’t make sense for the business.

Also means (if I understood correctly that there are 10-12 people in a team) the manager will need to go in 10-12 days to accommodate each person coming in 1 day.

malificent7 · 26/09/2021 08:26

Not much sympathy after working in hospitals all over lockdown.

User135644 · 26/09/2021 08:31

I'm honest with my manager that I just much prefer wfh and he agrees but it's not his call, middle management need us back in due to new systems needing to be worked in the office.

Nobody wants to go back in but we'll have to suck it up.

ivykaty44 · 26/09/2021 08:32

I’ve worked face to face all the way through, I can’t see what the problem is apart from public transport at rush hour

How do these people think that front line services have continued?

ivykaty44 · 26/09/2021 08:35

Tbh I’d rather everyone that could, stayed wfh

The traffic it now back to pre covid levels and I don’t enjoy the ride to work that’s for sure

TheKeatingFive · 26/09/2021 08:38

Also means (if I understood correctly that there are 10-12 people in a team) the manager will need to go in 10-12 days to accommodate each person coming in 1 day.

Presumably, in the the PP eyes, the manager is yet another person who’ll have to suck up more risk so that she can be exposed to less. See also all the essential services and delivery people catering to her through the pandemic.