We are now being called bodies with vaginas by one of the top medical journals in the land

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YANBU the word is woman
YABU shut up VAGINA haver

This will probably get shunted back to the naughty corner. But this is something women need to know. Coming soon to a GP surgery near you. As a vagina haver you may be invited for a cervical smear.

This is what the erasure of women looks like. Splayed on the front cover of the journal read by every medic in the land.

It is the worst non-apology I’ve seen in a good long time.

Completely missed all the points.

So: the article was about 'people who have experienced menstruation' and women are just one sub-category of the people in that group?

I think there is quite a lot of division amongst trans people about this language.

In fact, I have watched twitter convos of transitioned males discussing how being called people with penises as it is a constant reminder of the fact they have a penis.

I am surprised at the lengths some allies and some trans people go to though. There is never any acknowledgment that even other trans people simply don’t agree with it.

Richard Horton's track record includes facilitating the publishing of an article in 1998 that was party to the furore around the whole vaccines / MMR / Wakefield / supposed autism link. It is arguable that this, and the very, very long time it for the retraction to appear, damaged children.

As for his public support in 2005 for Professor Sir Roy Meadow (search for the Sally Clark case) ... well, that didn't exactly help women.

If he had made similar weasel remarks about transwomen, Twitter would be howling for his blood. He would be carted out North Korea style, beating his breast shouting Mea Culpa and never heard of again.

But because it is women he has insulted, nothing happens to him. He can issue an insulting apology-an apology that he may as well wipe to his arse for all the sincerity it contains.

Hi, just wanted to say that I am a woman.

God, never foresaw that being a controversial statement.

@UnfinishedBunting

TintinIsBack, I saw it on FB, but I imagine it's on the Lancet's website too.

Thanks @UnfinishedBunting

What a shitty non-apology.

Every time I read the crap-ology, it annoys me even more!

'...we have conveyed the impression that we have dehumanised and marginalised women.' That's better.

'Those who read the Lancet regularly will understand that this would never have been our intention... We encourage people to read the full review'. As if we've all got our vagina-containing knickers in a twist about the quote, but none of us have actually read the article.

It's a self serving, snivelling, and weaselly non-apology.

I'm perfectly happy to be referred to as a "person with a vagina". But I'd rather not be called a "body" before my death.

Richard Horton has a wife and a daughter. He knows exactly what a woman is. He’s a newly mouthed hypocritical arse

@Saracen

I'm perfectly happy to be referred to as a "person with a vagina". But I'd rather not be called a "body" before my death.

I am very much not happy to be referred to as a person with a vagina. There's a perfectly good word for an adult human female that doesn't reduce me down to a birth canal.

I'm perfectly happy to be referred to as a "person with a vagina".

So, does that mean that because some women are happy to be reduced to body parts and functions, that all women should have to be reduced in such a way?

I've received an automatic response to my email to The Lancet. will keep us all posted on a proper response, if any.

Referring to women as people with vaginas does not include women who are born without them. About 1 in 5000 women have MRKH syndrome. A good article on it here:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-51723676

To be honest, the darkest part of me sees in this way:
All these people going around with this "naming" of everything, and "newly found names" (like bodies with vaginas) are not inclusive. They actually hate trans, non-binary or any other option, so, as they are forced to acknowledge them, they have gone with dimishing the word WOMAN, so the very same thing many in this group aspire to be.
It has become a I will try to spur women against trans, to be honest.
I have no issue to address anyone as how they want to be identified.
Medically, sex is of high importance. I get that if I had been born a male, and now I am a woman, it would sting to still have male in my medical files, but it is needed. Maybe they should come up with a new word for this particular case, for a difference between the gender and the sex of the patient. Not trans or cis, or bodies with vaginas, but a brand new term?

That should read diminishing the word woman

@Saracen

I'm perfectly happy to be referred to as a "person with a vagina". But I'd rather not be called a "body" before my death.

I’m categorically NOT accepting of being called a person with a vagina nor .... A person with a clitoris A person with a vulva A person with a uterus A person with Fallopian tubes A person with breasts A person with ovaries

I am also not accepting of being described as a menstruator, a breeder, a bleeder, a cervix haver and so on.

If my partner called me any of those things to my face I would consider that offensive language. Why the hell should I accept it from professionals?!!!!!

Why would you be happy to be called a person with a vagina, but not a woman or transman?

I am a woman as determined by my chromosomes. Not determined by my body parts.

Will they start saying ‘person born with XX chromosomes’ instead of woman next??

Will they start saying ‘person born with XX chromosomes’ instead of woman next??

At least that wouldn't focus attention on women's 'private parts' every time.

Perhaps XX & XY could be the correct terms.

The whole situation is beyond appalling.

Maybe we could be Exys - (XY chromosomes) - that's not too bad a name.

I don't see the problem, a woman is just a subset of the group of people whose bodies have vaginas. Transmen have them too, they are another subset. Just because a woman becomes a man doesn't eradicate their physical characteristics, so "bodies with vaginas" is the term to include both women and transmen (but not transwomen).

It's like with nationality, some people say they're English or Welsh or Scottish or Irish, another person might say they are British. The former are just subsets of the latter.

Just say "historically, the anatomy and physiology of Gashes have been neglected" and have done, why don't you?

Go the full hog. Let's not beat around the bush. You want to refer to women by their genitalia, so just do it in proper Anglo-Saxon then.

Looking forward to the ward round starting.
“ Mr Bloggs is a 30 year old body with a penis who (insert medical condition of choice)...
Can’t really see it catching on somehow.