We are now being called bodies with vaginas by one of the top medical journals in the land

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YANBU the word is woman
YABU shut up VAGINA haver

This will probably get shunted back to the naughty corner. But this is something women need to know. Coming soon to a GP surgery near you. As a vagina haver you may be invited for a cervical smear.

This is what the erasure of women looks like. Splayed on the front cover of the journal read by every medic in the land.

I am going to email the Lancet.

This is disgusting & misogynistic.

Men want everything including controlling the language we use to describe ourselves.

How on earth have we got to the point that men who identify women are women and women are bodies with vaginas? And, worse than that, women who object are bigots.

This is about dehumanising women and ensuring we are always second class citizens to men.

The Trans Rights Movement is deeply misogynistic. Anyone who can't see this just simply isn't looking hard enough.

The question is how do we stand up to it?

@Itsanewdah

I’m biologically female with a vagina. I’m categorically NOT a woman. I’m also not a transman. I’m nonbinary, always have been (over 40 years now, so a bloody long “phase”). We are so much more than our bodies (have a look at society, biological differences explain almost none of the societal differences).

You know if in 500 years and an archaeologist digs up your bones, what conclusion will they come to? I can assure you that they won't say "this person was nonbinary" they'll say "ah, this person was a woman". So whatever you feel you are, you are categorically a woman.

I emailed Richard Horton yesterday morning, and received an automated response just now.

"Delivery incomplete. There was a temporary problem while delivering your message to [email protected]. Gmail will retry for 47 more hours. You'll be notified if the delivery fails permanently."

Has anyone else had this issue?

Ignore my message above. I just realised that the correct address is [email protected].

Have the Lancet replied to individuals, made a follow up comment, anything?

As an aside I realised a massive problem with Twitter yest.

A load of shit is posted.

Zillions of angry replies.

That is totally ignored and they carry on as usual.

There's no sort of. Need to actually reply.

It's like shitstirrers on here who lost an inflammatory AIBU and then never come back. Just sit back and watch it all kick off.

So when it comes to holding to account, getting answers, etc. It's useless.

That ed Davey. Bio males should be able to go anywhere they want. Massive outrage. He just ignores it.

So that's where the old methods come in. Formal routes. Traditional interviews with interviewers who are looking to get to the heart of things. That stuff.

I think a lot about whether the number of straight white men who spend their days telling women they're Terfs on SM do it because they have sensed their power slipping and this is a way to slap us back down. So they have no real interest in the trans cause but every reason to bully and harass women online and this is just the method du jour.

@NiceGerbil

Have the Lancet replied to individuals, made a follow up comment, anything?

As an aside I realised a massive problem with Twitter yest.

A load of shit is posted.

Zillions of angry replies.

That is totally ignored and they carry on as usual.

There's no sort of. Need to actually reply.

It's like shitstirrers on here who lost an inflammatory AIBU and then never come back. Just sit back and watch it all kick off.

So when it comes to holding to account, getting answers, etc. It's useless.

That ed Davey. Bio males should be able to go anywhere they want. Massive outrage. He just ignores it.

So that's where the old methods come in. Formal routes. Traditional interviews with interviewers who are looking to get to the heart of things. That stuff.

Not that I am aware. I posted on Twitter and sent an email but haven’t heard anything back yet. I’m hoping this is because we are only monday am.

Interestingly, I’ve seen quite a few threads on Twitter again from transpeople who ALSO don’t agree with the terminology ‘bodies’ or to be reduced o a sexual body part…..

I guess the transwomen who "just want to get on with their lives" are like Captain Cook raising the Union flag at Botany Bay, then, renaming everything in sight and claiming huge wadges of territory they just fancied taking control of. Likewise Governor Phillip and the First Fleet and everything that follows. And before you know it, the place is called the New South Wales colony, there are funds and shackles and whips all over and the people who were quietly getting on with their lives are being dispossessed and murdered on an industrial scale by a bunch of newcomers who are rewriting indigenous history, altering the language, erasing humanity and happily - or brutally - "getting on with their lives". Bless them!

Let's call this trans activism what it is: colonisation of women's spaces, erasure of women's rights and reframing of the language we're able to use to talk about ourselves and our lives.

No biggie. If it makes them happy, let them have it all. The fact that we and our foremothers fought for generations to get where we are mustn't stand in the way of men's need to identify into and take control of every single bit of it. 🙄

Guns, not funds!

From the article :

"Historically, the anatomy and physiology of bodies with vaginas have been neglected—for example, the paucity in understanding of endometriosis and the way women's pain has been seen as more likely to have an emotional or psychological cause, a hangover from centuries of theorising about hysteria. This exhibition and the Vagina Museum as a whole aim to redress this lack of attention."

It actually makes sense there, but not on the front page of the Lancet in the current situation.

I recommend reading the article.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2821%2901962-0/fulltext?rss=yes

Historically, the anatomy and physiology of bodies with vaginas have been neglected—for example, the paucity in understanding of endometriosis and the way women's pain has been seen as more likely to have an emotional or psychological cause, a hangover from centuries of theorising about hysteria

I am sorry Grandma but it doesn't even make sense in that paragraph, why choose the vagina and then go on to talk about endometriosis and female pain? It is a deliberate choice to not use the obvious words of either woman or even a female body. It is offensive in the extreme.

334bu because the article is about an exhibition in the Vagina Museum, so the phrase alludes to that.

It's absolutely wrong on the Lancet's cover.

Taking a historical approach felt like a natural step for the Vagina Museum, according to its director, Florence Schechter. “One of the questions that we always get at the Vagina Museum is ‘what did people do in the past with their periods?'”. People ?



A bit of a non-apology from the editor of the Lancet.

Sorry you feel offended.

We did it because trans inclusion is the most important thing.

It was meant as a serious point about trans inclusion- a deliberate decision.

We did the right thing and we'd do it again.

So fuck off dick- hole people.

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Super eh.

I don't get it - if it was really supposed to be inclusive, it would have said women and transmen, but instead it said bodies with vaginas.

The article is about menstruation - surely uteruses are more relevant to menstruation? But then vaginas are more useful to men I suppose...

Who is this arsehole, Richard Horton.

He has barely practised medicine-this much we could all have guessed as he can't tell the difference between a man and a woman.

He is married and has a daughter. I wonder how he refers to her.

Shame on his head, his arse, his cock and his feet. A stupid prick of a man who shouldn't be allowed to edit The Beano.

Don't hold back @SailYourShips 😄.

So, what can we do?

It makes me spit, @UnfinishedBunting.

The only losers will be women.

People like this Horton would have been locked away once for spouting this shit-carted off in a yellow van and accessorised with a strait jacket but now, in this mad time, the twat is laying down the law.

So I’m sorry you were offended. A non apology in other words.

@UnfinishedBunting

A bit of a non-apology from the editor of the Lancet.

Where has this so called apology been posted @UnfinishedBunting?

This guy is annoying the hell of out me and I really love to give him a taste of his own medicine. He isn’t inclusive of trans people anyway, but rather like any ejaculator, he sees himself above all women.
Bodies with testicles. They’re just a pain in the arse really.

TintinIsBack, I saw it on FB, but I
imagine it's on the Lancet's website too.

Strange how women need to be “bodies with vaginas” to promote inclusion, but men are still able to be men.