Prince Harry - something bugging me...

[StinkingCold]

Sorry, another Harry thread

Anyway, couple of things have been really bugging me recently...

1. He is getting paid 6 figures to be some advisor of a mental health charity

1. He has had 4 years therapy and is encouraging everyone else to get help like him

Now...here's my gripes!!...

1. What qualifications does he have to earn this salary as a mental health advisor?????? I've worked in mental health over 20 years, have an undergrad, MSc and Doctorate in a mh field, and have lectured on aspects of MH in my field. Despite my qualifications and experience, I would not consider myself qualified for a 6-figure salaried advisory post on mental health. So with zero qualifications or experience, how the hec does Harry think he is qualified to earn a six figure salary advising on the topic????? It just feels so naive and arrogant.

1. Good for you Harry, having 4 years therapy. Now in the real world, there is not 1 single NHS trust in the entire country likely to offer 4 years of therapy, or even 2, or even 1. Very difficult to even access 6 months or 3 months. Even for people who really really need it. I'm talking high risk, or whose functioning is severely impacted by their mental.health. The reality when you "seek help" for you mental health is a massive wait list followed by 6 sessions of guided self help over the phone. If you are really 'lucky' you might also be allowed to attend a short group programme of 6 sessions, maybe 12, probably on zoom. If you miss a couple.of appointments because you didn't get the letter, or phone was broken, or you were simply too unwell to get to your appointments, you'll probably lose the offer of the group or guided self help. If you have endured long and complex, multiple trauma, are self harming frequently, and drinking alot and overdosing - you might get offered 12 or 24 sessions of (probably group, maybe online only) DBT - but only if you really beg and show you are very very keen and won't miss any sessions. For most people, there is simply nothing. Maybe a referral to a charity for 4 sessions of counselling.

What planet are you on Harry. I wish wish wish you would realise how privileged you are to indulge yourself in 4 years of therapy, and that you could recognise your privilege. Wouldn't it be great if you could use you power and privilege to actually change the mental health system (in the UK) and advocate for more availability of therapeutic services, and maybe even donate large sums of cash to making therapy more available and accessible to the masses. I don't want to hear anymore about how therapy changed you, opened your eyes etc... Most of us simply.cant afford to go private, and the NHS is at breaking point and can't offer what is needed

[quote Ponoka7]@MichelleScarn
" did he not say when Archie was born that he and Megan had no idea how to look for mh support now he's presumably an expert."

No, he said that they asked for support within the Palace and when they were refused asked if they could access support externally. When again refused, they didn't know were to go next.

@Derbee, Meghan said that she felt ashamed and Harry used the same word, because within the 'stiff upper lip' Stoic royal family it isn't the done thing to talk about feelings and not be coping. A lot of people who have MH issues feel shame. People should be able to be honest.

What did Princess Diana know about AIDS, or the lives of the children in Harlem when she first started her charity work? The point was to remove stigma.[/quote]
On the Princess Diana point.

PD created and brought charities into profile through dedication and philanthropy, sometimes by putting herself in danger. She never once commanded a salary.

PH is commanding a salary for a business. Not a charity.

She inherited it. She’s not buying it whilst complaining her fa the in law isn’t giving them more money. Harry is the mouthpiece but she’s doing a fair amount of spending. She doesn’t even have a job.

So it's ok to wear ££££ stuff if you inherit it? Do you not think other Royals spend money? Why does she need to have a "job"?

@SunshineCake1

Both of them are idiots.

She wears $300k worth of jewellery and $7k worth of clothes to visit a school to read her book where the families are so poor that 90+% get free school meals.

They are just an embarrassment. Lecture about being green and private and then have three SUVs and police following them around.

I agree, said the same earlier on but be careful you’ll be accused of copying from the Daily Mail!

Or even, our government!

Indeed, I mean H&M are now responsible for fixing the NHS & if they can't they should shut up. Wtf, at least own the stupidity!

Previous comment.
They would only be allowed to visit certain schools and not others.
That's because a lot of parents and kids would object to it on principle.

They are just an embarrassment. Lecture about being green and private and then have three SUVs and police following them around

Prince W launched a climate change thing recently, thank god he doesn't use SUVs!

[quote MsHedgehog]@TILFA I have been suicidal, and very close to going through it. Is that qualified enough for you?

Surely it’s a good thing big names are talking about how important it is to get help when you’re struggling…[/quote]
It should be a good thing... Except you can't get the help!

I'm sorry you've also been there, surely you understand someone saying go and get help when help isn't available hurts. I've begged gor help. maybe I should just call Harry and ask what to do. I (I am not getting at you, I'm just trying to answer some of the questions being asked, from my perspective).

I think you have a very good point about the constant narrative of 'seek help' as very often when you seek help none exists or its very feeble.

I dont know he is qualified as an advisor but he makes a good figurehead in showing needing mental health support is normal and acceptable for men and a lot of youngish men find him relatable. You may have worked for the nhs for twenty years but he may have reached more people in terms of getting them to acknowledge they need help and got them to open up yo a friend as a first step.

I know it's a thread about H and not M, but I did find the outfit M wore to the school an odd choice. Almost like a shield from the people she would encounter there.

I was confused about what they spoke about in the Oprah interview.
Meghan apparently had no way of accessing any sort of help without going through the firm (who refused her request) and Harry said he was "embarrassed"...But at that point he was already involved with "heads together" and had admitted (not that its something he should necessarily have kept secret) several years previously to having therapy himself , so I couldn't understand why neither of these things could be used to their advantage in that situation?

Years ago I saw Victoria Pendleton on TV advocating getting help for MH issues. She had felt depressed and iirc suicidal. She called the Psychiatrist at British Cycling for help and later went surfing in fiji i think. Of course it was appropriate for her to seek help and I was glad she was able to get it....but I was expecting a segment or advice on what viewers should do if they felt in a similar situation...but there wasn't one. There was literally no recognition that your average Joe just wouldn't have the number of any Psychiatrist let alone one that you already knew (and presumably trusted) or that the possibility of simply getting away to go on holiday, in normal times would be restricted by budget, childcare, work schedules etc.

@Confusedandshaken

As a psychotherapist who spent a long time working in the charity sector (and has also had years in therapy) I can only dream of the sort of donations having Prince Harry on board will generate. Whatever he is being paid will be dwarfed by what his profile will bring in. They won't be scrabbling around for cash to pay for stamps and printer toner!

Also, it's all very well people saying therapy should have taught him compassion etc. That would be an ideal but you are talking about a man raised in the public eye, who lost his mother young in a very public scandal/tragedy. His dad then married the long term mistress he cheated on his mum with and bought her into the family home. He was sent to boarding school young and he was a front line soldier. His extended family is deeply dysfunctional. Any one of these things will negatively impact on a persons psyche, let alone all of them. He is probably deeply damaged. Well done to him for trying to break the cycle.
His therapy will probably have focussed on understanding his own needs and putting himself and his new family first rather than seeking to understand and forgive his family of origin. That's the most important requirement for effective change - understanding that you can't change the past or other people but can only change yourself and the future. Hopefully understanding and compassion for the people who (unintentionally I'm sure) inflicted such damage on him will come later.

Reposting so it doesn’t get lost.

You don’t have to be a genius to consider the above but maybe if people hear from a professional they may actually start to think rather than spew blind hate.

Poor Harry has clearly had his brain removed. I feel like he needs some kind of intervention.

If I were him I wouldn’t be humble bragging about having had 4 years of therapy as it clearly isn’t working!

If he’s such an expert then why didn’t he advocate for Megan to get help when she was suicidal, instead of sitting back? This all just seems like further digs against his family.

They are very loud for two people who wanted the quiet life, I wish they’d bore off.

You don’t have to be a genius to consider the above but maybe if people hear from a professional they may actually start to think rather than spew blind hate.

What drives the blind hate? I don't get it.

YANBU op

People's sheer hatred for Harry and Meghan is seriously worrying. The haters on these threads and the Daily Hate/Express etc won't rest until H and M have killed themselves. Some of you are utter cunts, in this regard.

It's actually quite disturbing

I know it's a thread about H and not M, but I did find the outfit M wore to the school an odd choice. Almost like a shield from the people she would encounter there.

Didn't she wear a trouser suit?

[quote wellards]@RandomWordGenerator I meant the concept of it. Do you just have a problem with the fact he gets paid? [/quote]
I don’t care about Harry, if a non-charitable company wants to pay him big bucks that’s their choice, and presumably a worthwhile investment from their point of view.

But I don’t want people thinking that the royals and celebs they see as patrons/ figureheads/supporters of charities are getting paid, when they aren’t. Which was my point.

@KaptainKaveman

I'd like to know if the OP is lobbying the government to improve MH services and reverse some of the funding cuts they have made - are you, OP? are you directing as much energy into campaigning for MH services as you are channelling into your vendetta against two people you've never met? do tell us.

People's sheer hatred for Harry and Meghan is seriously worrying. The haters on these threads and the Daily Hate/Express etc won't rest until H and M have killed themselves. Some of you are utter cunts, in this regard.

oh do give that nonsense a rest

Can some people honestly not see why Harry may have required 4 years of therapy given his family? It is so utterly dysfunctional and they wear the dysfunction like a badge of honour. For all the privilege everyone constantly bangs on about, I would not choose to be a royal for anything. It is all coat and no knickers as a life. I don’t care how great the queen is and will continue to be, her life has absolutely been centred around that role and her children and grandchildren and great grandchildren personally suffer greatly because of the commitment that role requires from all of them. It is not a privileged life in terms of human needs of emotional availability or even physical availability of parents who often left infants/young children for months on end while they travelled on royal duties or sent them to boarding schools at 8 often ones unsuited to nurturing young particularly boys. Then Harry lost his mum so young...

OP I could see some of your personal gripe about Harry’s lack of qualifications right up until this point

What planet are you on Harry. I wish wish wish you would realise how privileged you are to indulge yourself in 4 years of therapy

Nobody indulges themselves in therapy.

Agree with your assessment however do you think it does any good for someone like him to be honest about his mental health and what helped him. Does it destigmatize it at all?

@MsHedgehog blind hate? That implies no reason for the hate.
There’s no point in ‘advocating’ for mental health awareness and the like without the money to support it. The waiting list for NHS therapy is long and

@VladmirsPoutine - even our entire government are qualified specialists.

I can't work out if you're being ironic or not here. But our MPs are not qualified - by what? A degree in being an MP? Or specialists.

Gavin Williamson sold fireplaces then he worked in a china shop. That didn't set him up very well to be Minister for Education, did it?