AIBU for thinking hating people for their political leanings is perfectly normal?

[VelvetChairGirl]

I have been reading a brexit thread on here and lots of brexit voters in it seem horrified that they are hated and families have stopped talking to each other, and cut each other off over it.

but its politics nothing affects us more then politics, we have people who cut off others for believing in conspiracy theories and things. Brexit is the biggest shake up in this country in my life time, its taken away our freedom of movement for work and education, needlessly introduced a tonne of red tape, made our rights and standards extremely vulnerable to being destroyed (tories dont like food standards and workers rights this is well documented and they are in charge right now), reduced our standing in the world and will very likely lead us to being the poor man of Europe again, not to mention the fact its cut off vital EU funding to science research, regeneration and education projects up and down the county.

it affects everyone, of course people are perfectly entitled to hate those who voted to hurt them financially, prospects wise etc as much as they would hate someone who physically stole from them, theres very little difference is there?

@Lollipop444

Out of interest, which parties (uk) are we allowed to vote for who don’t plunge people into poverty and this don’t provoke the hatred of others?

Because in my mind they are all pretty useless and incompetent in one way or another….

I think this is true - but some are incompetent and/or misguided. Others simply don't give a shit and retrofit their not-giving-a-shit with a political theory. I think the latter is worse.

After a lifetime in the Labour Party I no longer vote for anyone. I honestly cannot vote for a party which celebrates that kind of self-interest. And I can no longer vote for any of the more progressive parties because they've all shown their underlying contempt for women by embracing self-ID with a kind of thrilled relish.

I honestly cannot vote for a party which celebrates that kind of self-interest

Not clear sorry - I meant I can't vote for the Tories because of the self-interest thing.

No, i do not hate people who have a different opinion to me. When people can listen and discuss things properly, i tend to find that we have more in common than that which divides us.

I agree there's no 'good' or 'bad'. FWIW I voted LibDem because I felt unable to vote for either Johnson or Corbyn, and because we do have a LibDem local MP whom I like; SNP are not in any case an option in southern England! But I don''t worship any of the parties; and would have voted Labour if it had been a close contest between Labour and an exceptionally bad Tory MP (e.g. Philip Davies!!!)

In any case, it's not people's votes that turn me against them unless they vote for true extremists (BNP or one of its latest offshoots; AFD; LePen; Marjorie Taylor Greene; etc.). It's support for the likes of Tommy Robinson or Katie Hopkins or QAnon or IS or the Taliban. Or people who demonstrate against masks, vaccines and any Covid precautions.

I'd say I'm politically moderate, pretty much homeless at the moment (politically not literally). A lot of people seem to have a very simplified view that Labour = socialist and caring whilst Conservative = capitalist and greedy.

I certainly know that a lot of the high flyers I know vote Tory whilst a lot of the stoners from college who now work as baristas etc and have funny haircuts are vociferously labour. Of course there is much in between bur IME woke people rarely vote Tory.

But I'm torn by the fact that capitalism does raise up a society quicker in some ways. When people start businesses they create jobs and when they make lots of money they spend lots of money and drive other sectors. A fatcat businessman arguably does more for society than the vocal lefty making cappuccinos all day.

Last time I voted in the uk general election I stood there and could not come up with any reason to vote for any party.

I could come up with multiple reasons for not voting for them all.

I like certain individuals within different parties, but the majority, in my opinion are self-serving, career politicians who in the main part treat the electorate with contempt and as unintelligent.

It’s also not as simplistic to say that labour are the party who look after the poor. Yes they may throw more money at those on lower incomes and benefits but there are arguments that this can lead to them becoming trapped in a poverty cycle which they cannot (or the government do not want them to) get out of. There is also the wider economy to think of and the fact that many high earners would leave the country if they are taxed more harshly than they are already. And the fact that labour nearly bankrupted the country last time they were in charge, oh and took us into Iraq which we are still paying the price for.

No I think they are all a pretty bad choice, which left me no choice but to spoil my paper last time.

Lollipop same here.
It was saddening.

And the fact that labour nearly bankrupted the country last time they were in charge

No they didn't; it was a global banking crisis, for which the Tories found it convenient to blame Labour, and still do, though after 11 years of Tory government it's less convincing. To be fair, some on the left seem to blame the government for the pandemic when it's a global disaster. In the latter case, and perhaps the former, the governments could perhaps have handled the situation better, but in neither case did they cause it.

@ddl1

And the fact that labour nearly bankrupted the country last time they were in charge

No they didn't; it was a global banking crisis, for which the Tories found it convenient to blame Labour, and still do, though after 11 years of Tory government it's less convincing. To be fair, some on the left seem to blame the government for the pandemic when it's a global disaster. In the latter case, and perhaps the former, the governments could perhaps have handled the situation better, but in neither case did they cause it.

It’s amazing how this myth persists. How did a global crisis get missed by so many?

You can’t make excuses for one global crisis (banking) without the same for another (covid). The net result for both is that it’s the poorest who end up suffering the most as a result of it, no matter who is in government, hence they are all the same (incompetent).

@Lollipop444

You can’t make excuses for one global crisis (banking) without the same for another (covid). The net result for both is that it’s the poorest who end up suffering the most as a result of it, no matter who is in government, hence they are all the same (incompetent).

Then don’t perpetuate the myth that it was down to a Labour government overspending.

You can tell how shielded people have been from genuinely extreme politics that they interpret the same old same old mainstream shite that's been governing this country under successive govts for decades, as extreme

Labour did overspend and got us involved in unnecessary wars.

Sorry op but it's ridiculous to "hate" people that don't share your political beliefs, not to mention immature. Frankly, I couldn't give a toss what others think of how I vote/have voted in the past. We all have our reasons that we may or may regret in the future buts its not the place of anybody else to try & imply that you're below their level of unintelligence for voting differently to them. This was quite a strong theme on FB amongst die hard labour voters at the last election all of whom worshipped at the altar of Jeremy Corbyn & I didn't.

May not...

@MurielSpriggs

YANBU, friendships and relationships do depend on sharing values, and politics is absolutely about values. It's not like supporting different football teams. Politics actually has real-world consequences.

This...

It fundamentally reflects your values.

People who can vote for who they want... I have the right to avoid people who vote Tory / or are brexiteers.

Theuve voted to make others much worse off.

What we have currently under the Toriesis not the same old mainstream shite.
Cameron placed Tories in key positions at the BBC, thus controlling the media still further (and it’s already v right wing).
Paul Dacre as head of Ofcom.
Govt breaking the law left, right and centre. Good Las Project has won a number of cases, including against Gove, but we don’t hear about it because of the media control.
Voter suppression through ID requirements.
Changing electoral boundaries in favour of Tories.
Laws to prevent peaceful protest if it’s deemed to ‘annoy’ someone.
This is not just the same old. It is extreme politics creeping further and further in. If it arrived all in one go then far more people wouldrecognise it, which is why you erode peoples’ rights bit by bit.

As long as you realise it works both ways @IamtheDevilsAvocado, that people have the right to avoid you , for being so arrogant to assume your political view, s are the only right ones and for being intolerant of others.

@woodhill

Labour did overspend and got us involved in unnecessary wars.

They definitely shouldn’t have taken us into war, though far more Labour MPs voted against it than the Tories all of whom except Ken Clarke supported it. Lib Dems are never given enough credit for opposing it wholeheartedly. At least we had far better public services under Labour as opposed to the mysterious £37 billion cost of a track and trace system that never worked.

@x2boys

As long as you realise it works both ways *@IamtheDevilsAvocado*, that people have the right to avoid you , for being so arrogant to assume your political view, s are the only right ones and for being intolerant of others.

She hasn’t said her views are the only right ones. She’s said she’d prefer not to hang out with Tories and brexiters, which is not at all the same thing.

Because shes assuming her views are right, which is fine but if shes going to be intolerant of others she may find others are intolerant of her

I don't know, our public services are still fine. haven't Labour caused problems with debt for new build hospitals for example- leasing buildings plus Tony Blair allowed free movement of people immediately when France and Germany held back for a while itms

Well, she’s assuming her views about Brexiters and Tories are right, and may find that they won’t tolerate her, but I rather suspect that she’d be fine with that. Maybe I should stop speaking on her behalf though.Sorry @IamtheDevilsavocado

I really don’t think our public services are fine anymore. The state my sons’ state school is in would make you weep. And it makes me really sad to see how many youth centres and public libraries have gone.
Yes, Blair did allow free movement immediately. I myself don’t have a problem with that, though I know others do.

I don't hate people for how they voted, and my family is very split between red and blue, but I do have to bite my tongue when my older brexit-voting relatives complain to me about things that are direct and indirect results of the vote they won.