AIBU for thinking hating people for their political leanings is perfectly normal?

[VelvetChairGirl]

I have been reading a brexit thread on here and lots of brexit voters in it seem horrified that they are hated and families have stopped talking to each other, and cut each other off over it.

but its politics nothing affects us more then politics, we have people who cut off others for believing in conspiracy theories and things. Brexit is the biggest shake up in this country in my life time, its taken away our freedom of movement for work and education, needlessly introduced a tonne of red tape, made our rights and standards extremely vulnerable to being destroyed (tories dont like food standards and workers rights this is well documented and they are in charge right now), reduced our standing in the world and will very likely lead us to being the poor man of Europe again, not to mention the fact its cut off vital EU funding to science research, regeneration and education projects up and down the county.

it affects everyone, of course people are perfectly entitled to hate those who voted to hurt them financially, prospects wise etc as much as they would hate someone who physically stole from them, theres very little difference is there?

People voted Brexit because they believed it was the right decision, you can disagree with them but its pretty arrogant of you to. assume they did it to deliberately hurt you, its not all about you

Its all up to me who i want to be friends with. Turned out that some people I cannot trust.

catsarepeople

It needs to be said. I am really, really sorry for the hurt caused to you and all EU citizens who were made to feel less than welcome in many cases. Millions of us love and value the contributions that have come into the UK through you being here. And I'm really sorry that, having expressed your hurt on this thread, people are still being unpleasant to you about it.

What, they voted to harm you personally? Don't be ridiculous

If they didn't intentionally vote to harm her personally, they did harm her personally in actual fact.

I'm not quite sure which is worse: malice or stupidity.

Its all up to me who i want to be friends with. Turned out that some people I cannot trust.

It certainly is up to you.

All I can really do is apologise for the chumps who don't value your contribution, who were too selfish or too uninformed to consider the impact of their vote upon you.

I hope you're aware that the Brexit mentality is not representative of all people in this country, probably not even the majority, who, like me, love the cultural mix and enrichment EU citizens bring.

It’s a shame that an interesting question- why people hate those who have different political views- has been buried under hundred of posts demonstrating how much the poster hates those who have different political views. I’m sure we’ve all heard all of that way beyond boredom now.

I'm not quite sure which is worse: malice or stupidity.

With Brexit, malice was out in the open. You can't feign ignorance.

I think hating people for their views is sadly very normal. But it's not very helpful. Throughout history societies have held together through their shared values and customs, 'othering' anyone outside who may challenge it. As human beings we are predisposed to this behaviour.

It's limiting though. I'm friends with people who have very different opinions to me on a lot of things. We discuss them respectfully. Our views evolve as a result. Sometimes I change my mind, sometimes they do. Each time though our discussions lead us to find some common ground in the middle and a greater understanding (even if not agreement) of the other's POV. That dissolves hate and leads to progression.

Those saying that people's political views aren't personal attacks...in the case of Brexit they kind of are, if you're an EU citizen and your country was directly mentioned and slated repeatedly during the Brexit campaign...on Question Time, in the Daily Mail, in any immigration debate pretty much, as though we're some kind of sub human species that must be kept out at all costs

So yeah, I've distanced myself from people I used to like, who voted for Brexit. They're allowed their opinion obviously but I'm allowed mine too and I don't have to like them.

When we vote, some groups of people will be materially and negatively affected if our vote 'wins'.

We should all be able to look ourselves in the mirror and live with that.

If you're the kind of cunt whose vote will negatively affect those who are already disadvantaged, at least have the balls to know yourself.

Pretending that 'it's just politics' is simply an additional proof that you're a cunt.

So if it's ok to the somebody for their political leanings then it's surely ok to hate somebody for their religion, right?

@antoniawhite. It doesn't have to be complicated to be the truth. All money that was used to fund schemes in this country was not a beneficent gift from the EU. It was UK taxpayers money. For every £1 we paid over to the EU, we received about 30p back in public sector grants and funds. The EU didn't fund anything in the UK. Rather it told the UK how it could spend its own money.
As for our economy, it's to be expected that it will be depressed for a while after so many financial shocks but no one knows how we will perform in the future.
Personally I voted remain for a variety of reasons but I hate these myths that arise about the EU both in favour and against it. Its because there were so many lies told and no politicians had the gumption to lay out honest truths for and agsinst that the nation is so divided today.

@ColorMagicBarbie

So if it's ok to the somebody for their political leanings then it's surely ok to hate somebody for their religion, right?

If their religion materially damages others who cannot afford the damage, and if the religious are fine with that and/or refuse to look at it - yes.

If they are themselves victims of the cult - no.

If their religion materially damages others who cannot afford the damage, and if the religious are fine with that and/or refuse to look at it - yes.

Well, you could put forward a fairly strong argument for hating Muslims then. Especially from a female perspective.

Yes, I could.

Or rather, for having contempt for those who, understanding the impact it has on women and discounting that impact, promulgate that ideology.

But also for:
gender ideology
Evangelical Christianity
All other forms of patriarchy

I think I'd find it easier to hate a religion than individuals, because most believe they are following the path of righteousness etc and were probably indoctrinated into religion from a young age. But It's refreshing that the first response wasn't 'oo, you horrible racist', which is what usually happens when somebody criticises Islam.

I've always found it odd that the people most reluctant to criticise Islam also have a higher than average likelihood of being a feninist/woke. Primitive patriarchal sexism and oppression of women should be a polar opposite of feminism etc.

@ddl1i knew I’d probably get picked up for that. Sorry I assumed people would know I meant more people voted for Tory than any other party. Maybe rather than being angry at people who have tried to make an informed decision and believe they are doing the best thing, be angry at the people who don’t care enough to vote. I don’t love the situation we are in but we don’t have a crystal ball and nobody knows how things will pan out in the future.

@ddl1i knew I’d probably get picked up for that. Sorry I assumed people would know I meant more people voted for Tory than any other party. Maybe rather than being angry at people who have tried to make an informed decision and believe they are doing the best thing, be angry at the people who don’t care enough to vote. I don’t love the situation we are in but we don’t have a crystal ball and nobody knows how things will pan out in the future.

I don't usually get angry over voting choices unless they're really extreme. I get angry over racism (which isn't limited to any one party), antisemitism, hatred for disabled people, Covid denial.

To hate anyone who disagrees with you reflects very badly on you.

Very strange and sad OP.

@ddl1 rumours of antisemitism in Labour were rife. Corbyn was seen to be a terrorist sympathiser. SNP are looking for independence, changing women’s rights and becoming a nanny state. Lib Dem were never going to do well. I don’t need to list Conservative problems I’m sure we know them. But it is not black and white that there is good and bad. More like choosing which steaming pile of shite is better than the others.

Out of interest, which parties (uk) are we allowed to vote for who don’t plunge people into poverty and this don’t provoke the hatred of others?

Because in my mind they are all pretty useless and incompetent in one way or another….

@DismantledKing

To hate anyone who disagrees with you reflects very badly on you.

But that's not it at all - I can absolutely tolerate people who disagree with me. It's most of the world tbh - I have a quite specific politics.

I have contempt for those who vote in their own self-interest, either without considering the damage to others or - slightly worse, but only slightly - being aware and doing it anyway.

I'd have contempt for someone who damaged the wellbeing of others below them in the foodchain on an individual basis - why would that change at group level?