AIBU for thinking hating people for their political leanings is perfectly normal?

[VelvetChairGirl]

I have been reading a brexit thread on here and lots of brexit voters in it seem horrified that they are hated and families have stopped talking to each other, and cut each other off over it.

but its politics nothing affects us more then politics, we have people who cut off others for believing in conspiracy theories and things. Brexit is the biggest shake up in this country in my life time, its taken away our freedom of movement for work and education, needlessly introduced a tonne of red tape, made our rights and standards extremely vulnerable to being destroyed (tories dont like food standards and workers rights this is well documented and they are in charge right now), reduced our standing in the world and will very likely lead us to being the poor man of Europe again, not to mention the fact its cut off vital EU funding to science research, regeneration and education projects up and down the county.

it affects everyone, of course people are perfectly entitled to hate those who voted to hurt them financially, prospects wise etc as much as they would hate someone who physically stole from them, theres very little difference is there?

[quote Clumsyvolcano]@AlfonsoTheMango voting for a party that has plunged a large percentage of the population into poverty while lining their own pockets and underfunding vital services and turning a blind eye to that and voting for them anyway tells me the person is apathetic, extremely narrow minded and naïve, most Tory voters I’ve come across in my life have a very black and white worldview. Intolerable in my view.[/quote]
The irony🙄

@x2boys

I can’t tell if they’re joking. I’m hoping they’re joking. This level of lack of self awareness is very troubling otherwise.

Ionlydomassiveones
“Brexit has hurt me every single day since June 24th 2016.”
But that’s you. This is what the middle classes don’t get, and why remain lost. Do you even realise that the majority of ordinary people in this country are busy just putting a roof over their heads and feeding their kids? They are not crying every day because poor Sebastian and Hermione are ‘no longer able to be in orchestras, to study abroad, to get Erasmus grants.’ Ffs. What planet are you on? Privilege planet. Remainers call the working classes thick or ‘misled’ but have no idea how stupid and out of touch you really sound.
Do working class people in the UK not move to mainland Europe at all? I'm in Ireland and know 3 working class young people right now who are doing apprenticeships in other EU countries. Many working class kids move to the EU after college to work for a while. I can think of 4 out of 20 kids that I was in school with that worked in different EU countries for a time and I grew up in a poor area. My brother right now is working his way around Europe and we were pretty damn poor growing up.
Is there just no culture of travel amongst the working class in the UK or are the levels of deprivation so high that they genuinely can't afford it? I find it really hard to believe that it won't have any effect on working class youth in the UK that their freedom to do this has been taken away?

This precisely. It is utterly baffling to me, this narrative that anti-Brexit people are so because they're privileged and they only care about their family and their opportunities.

What and who exactly do people think Erasmus grants are FOR?
Those who were poorer and less advantaged to start with will be only more so as the effects of Brexit continue to bite.
You're just creating a false class division so you can sneer, and get rounds of applause from other posters who buy into this wrong-headed rubbish.

I’m meaning narrow minded as in thinking everybody has the same opportunities in life, or that most benefit claimants are scroungers etc and if you’re on a low income it’s your own fault. It’s always the average Joe that suffers, and that is my personal experience every single time I have discussed politics with a conservative voter. I try and understand it, but in the majority of cases they say the same things which tells me that there is a distinct lack of grasp on how most people have to struggle.

People also were aware of Johnson’s record of integrity, yet voted for him and look at the mess the country is in.

‘’I’m alright Jack’’ mentality.

So yeah, I understand the vitriol.

most Tory voters I’ve come across in my life have a very black and white worldview. Intolerable in my view
I find anyone who cares with some passion about politics to be black or white whatever the party!

@Clumsyvolcano

I’m meaning narrow minded as in thinking everybody has the same opportunities in life, or that most benefit claimants are scroungers etc and if you’re on a low income it’s your own fault. It’s always the average Joe that suffers, and that is my personal experience every single time I have discussed politics with a conservative voter. I try and understand it, but in the majority of cases they say the same things which tells me that there is a distinct lack of grasp on how most people have to struggle.

People also were aware of Johnson’s record of integrity, yet voted for him and look at the mess the country is in.

‘’I’m alright Jack’’ mentality.

So yeah, I understand the vitriol.

And yet how do you explain towns such as Leigh in greater Manchester voting Conservative in the last election? , you assume that allTory voters are middle class and have no idea what goes on in the real world, thats pretty narrow minded of you.

I try and understand it, but in the majority of cases they say the same things which tells me that there is a distinct lack of grasp on how most people have to struggle
It goes both ways. The constant assumption made of those who fare better that they just had it easier than those who struggle, that they couldn't possibly have started at the same level and given the same opportunities.

@x2boys they wanted Brexit at any cost to the country, and I equally dislike them for the mess it’s left us in.

[quote Clumsyvolcano]@x2boys they wanted Brexit at any cost to the country, and I equally dislike them for the mess it’s left us in.[/quote]
You have e asked all of them, i? t couldnt possibly be that there was /is no credible opposition could it?

Someone’s got to do the menial jobs though, else they country would come to a standstill, as the pandemic has proven. Yet, they get shafted. Most of wealth is due to luck. Some people have intellectual problems which means they don’t have the same opportunities and to think they do is narrow minded, which is my point.

@Clumsyvolcano

Someone’s got to do the menial jobs though, else they country would come to a standstill, as the pandemic has proven. Yet, they get shafted. Most of wealth is due to luck. Some people have intellectual problems which means they don’t have the same opportunities and to think they do is narrow minded, which is my point.

Im well aware of that living in a deprived area myself, however nit is incredibly insular and narrow to minded of you to assume your views are the only correct views

everybody has the same opportunities in life, or that most benefit claimants are scroungers etc and if you’re on a low income it’s your own fault.

Most people I discuss things with are quite intelligent and no matter what party they support don't come out with that nonsense. I suggest you find some new friends.

@Spiindoctor

everybody has the same opportunities in life, or that most benefit claimants are scroungers etc and if you’re on a low income it’s your own fault.

Most people I discuss things with are quite intelligent and no matter what party they support don't come out with that nonsense. I suggest you find some new friends.

I know people who talk like this. Unfortunately they're my family, so I can't just find new ones.

Views are one thing, deeds are what matters.
Regarding brexit, i dropped some "friends" over it. I'm an EU citizen - i realized some people just weren't exactly friends as they voted to do harm to me and my family.

I have some pretty strong political views. But that doesn’t lead me to hate others who think differently. In some cases to (strongly) dislike, to find ridiculous, to avoid, to pity, to feel incredulous towards - but not to actually hate.

You don’t get anywhere though hatred. Nowhere good, anyway.

Was Brexit really that surprising? UKIP had just pulled in a high number of votes and it was no secret that many people felt left behind and there was a huge mistrust in consecutive governments

^I didn’t understand why so many people were surprised tbh. There’s always been strong anti-EU feeling in this country. (I voted remain so I was saddened by the vote.)

But do I hate Brexit voters? No. Because quite a few family members voted that way, and I knew that they weren’t racists. They just thought (mistakenly IMO and I still believe that) that we would be better off outside the EU.

@CatsArePeople

Views are one thing, deeds are what matters. Regarding brexit, i dropped some "friends" over it. I'm an EU citizen - i realized some people just weren't exactly friends as they voted to do harm to me and my family.

It wasn't personal though and I'm sure they meant you no harm.

@VelvetChairGirl
I am a single mum on benefits, all the job centre help programes I have been on were funded by the EU not this government,

Er, I think you'll find it's the govt (labour and tory) that funded the EU that then funded you. The EU doesn't create any income itself. So the funding you got came from the UK govt indirectly. If the UK had funded you directly then it would have been cheaper for the country as no admin costs would have been deducted by the EU first.

It wasn't personal though and I'm sure they meant you no harm.

Its personal to me. The rhetoric about "immigrants out" was pretty much loud and clear. They picked a side and while they can enjoy their blue passports or sunny uplands, i need to figure out a plan B out of this clusterfuck.

@CatsArePeople

Views are one thing, deeds are what matters. Regarding brexit, i dropped some "friends" over it. I'm an EU citizen - i realized some people just weren't exactly friends as they voted to do harm to me and my family.

What, they voted to harm you personally? Don't be ridiculous.

[quote Porridgealert]@VelvetChairGirl
I am a single mum on benefits, all the job centre help programes I have been on were funded by the EU not this government,

Er, I think you'll find it's the govt (labour and tory) that funded the EU that then funded you. The EU doesn't create any income itself. So the funding you got came from the UK govt indirectly. If the UK had funded you directly then it would have been cheaper for the country as no admin costs would have been deducted by the EU first.[/quote]
That's an extremely simplistic account. Yes - we paid into the EU and got funds back. The benefit for us was that the EU paid directly into the schemes and regions where the money was most needed, which is why Cornwall suddenly got alarmed the day after the referendum, knowing that Cornwall would have no help in hell of getting that level of funding if it were administered by Westminster.
And through being part of the single market our economy was far more buoyant, allowing a greater tax take, which could be invested in public services.

What, they voted to harm you personally? Don't be ridiculous.

What an unkind comment. People need to read the 'In Limbo' books to see how badly a great many EU citizens have been treated since the referendum in the place that was their home. No wonder people aren't very interested in returning even if there are promises of better pay.

@CatsArePeople

Views are one thing, deeds are what matters. Regarding brexit, i dropped some "friends" over it. I'm an EU citizen - i realized some people just weren't exactly friends as they voted to do harm to me and my family.

People voted Brexit because they believed it was the right decision, you can disagree with them but its pretty arrogant of you to. assume they did it to deliberately hurt you, its not all about you

@OneTC

Unless it's genuinely extreme politics then no it's completely fucking bonkers

The tories are extreme politics. Brexit is extreme politics.

@DillonPanthersTexas

Offs this is tedious. Slowly: I referenced the vote in relation to the UK population, which clearly does not refer to the election result itself. Ok?

One can only snort at the naivety of referendums as a 'democratic outcome'. They are a easily manipulable mob vote - despots tool du choix to give authoritarian policy the veneer of democracy. Which is why Germany banned them after WWII and why countries that use have super stringent regulations around them.