AIBU for thinking hating people for their political leanings is perfectly normal?

[VelvetChairGirl]

I have been reading a brexit thread on here and lots of brexit voters in it seem horrified that they are hated and families have stopped talking to each other, and cut each other off over it.

but its politics nothing affects us more then politics, we have people who cut off others for believing in conspiracy theories and things. Brexit is the biggest shake up in this country in my life time, its taken away our freedom of movement for work and education, needlessly introduced a tonne of red tape, made our rights and standards extremely vulnerable to being destroyed (tories dont like food standards and workers rights this is well documented and they are in charge right now), reduced our standing in the world and will very likely lead us to being the poor man of Europe again, not to mention the fact its cut off vital EU funding to science research, regeneration and education projects up and down the county.

it affects everyone, of course people are perfectly entitled to hate those who voted to hurt them financially, prospects wise etc as much as they would hate someone who physically stole from them, theres very little difference is there?

@willrufford

Please stop teasing and torturing yourselves. It is over. We have to live with the consequences. It is done. We, YES us, the people of these islands we have to work together and make it work. There is no way back. The EU would not take us back. You would never get a big majority. Imagine a 60/40 vote. There would be NO discussion. We are on our own.

I don't know why people keep saying it's over: it's only just started.

Some of the consequences have started (impact on trade) and some are yet to come (impact on farming & manufacturing).

It's not possible to make this fuck up work because you can't run an economy successfully without smooth trade with your nearest neighbours.

It will never be over and it will never work. That is the reality.

There is no way back. The EU would not take us back. You would never get a big majority. Imagine a 60/40 vote

Actually, I think they would have us back (on much worse terms) so that's what I'll work towards making work because Brexit is an absolute shitshow that'll cost us a fortune and take opportunities away from our children.

I believe theres a 'Rejoin' March planned next year.

I have "Hated" very few people in my life.

Certainly never for something as petty as exercising their right to vote for a legal party, or for having different, legal, views to me.

Anyone who "hates" someone for the above reasons is either extremely childish or just plain stupid.

So another way for politicians to dupe the public

They did with leave, with the second referendum and now to rejoin

The possibility of that happening anytime soon (10 years) is nilch

@Kendodd

I believe theres a 'Rejoin' March planned next year.

Whingers gonna whinge....

Brexit and its consequences are only just beginning. I know most politicians, especially the biggest Brexit cheerleaders, now hate hearing the B word and get so impatient when it's mentioned but sticking fingers in ears doesn't alter the reality of the Brexit effects.

I wouldn't hate someone for their political views, unless they were v extreme. But Brexit does seem to have brought out some nasty divides. In my family some horrible things have been said and because some of the family are from other European countries or live in Europe it's caused a lot of upset. I wouldn't hate someone because they voted Brexit, I would hate them if they said they didn't care about having a war with Europe or wished European people would all go back, especially given that's our own family members.

I feel that people who 'hate' others for having a different opinion are very odd indeed. The screeching that ensues makes me feel that these people were never told 'no' as a child. They want their own way and simply cannot discuss things calmly.

Thank goodness most people are more tempered and value our democratic right to disagree peacefully.

@RiotAtTheRodeo

Brexit and its consequences are only just beginning. I know most politicians, especially the biggest Brexit cheerleaders, now hate hearing the B word and get so impatient when it's mentioned but sticking fingers in ears doesn't alter the reality of the Brexit effects.

Quite. If it was that much of a success, you’d think the supporters would be out enjoying its benefits, or would at least tell the rest of us what we can look forward to.

There's no way the EU would have us back while the Brexit nonsense is around.

But the long term consequences, which have already started, will be such that within 10 years this country will be acknowledged to have made a big mistake.

We will end up back with the single market and customs union within 20 years, possibly within 10.

The people who think that won't happen don't understand how trade works.

Well, you may be right skinny. University demographics are not my specialism, though I work closely with Erasmus. I am speaking from my own experience, which is limited to my own institutions and I suspect your sample size is probably bigger. But these students nevertheless do exist and are precisely those who won’t get to go abroad without a grant, whereas middle-class kids always will. But I still don’t see why anything middle class should be dismissed and shouted down. It’s still a loss and a needless loss. It’s not as if any working class kids are themselves getting any benefit from Erasmus or orchestras being taken away from anyone. We’re all losing. (But just for the record neither of my kids are the least bit musical and both have EU passports, so my comments are not driven by self-interest.)

I also think that the caricature of Brexit voters as working class and Remainers as middle class is bollocks. I know loads of working class Remainers and the Leavers I know are extremely comfortable, living in the suburbs and much more cushioned than most of the rest of us.

Proof though for Cummings and Johnson that they were right to stoke the culture wars. Here we are bickering about the middle class vs the working class, while they and their ilk merrily strip as much as they can from the lot of us.

@Ionlydomassiveones

“Brexit has hurt me every single day since June 24th 2016.”

But that’s you. This is what the middle classes don’t get, and why remain lost. Do you even realise that the majority of ordinary people in this country are busy just putting a roof over their heads and feeding their kids? They are not crying every day because poor Sebastian and Hermione are ‘no longer able to be in orchestras, to study abroad, to get Erasmus grants.’ Ffs. What planet are you on? Privilege planet. Remainers call the working classes thick or ‘misled’ but have no idea how stupid and out of touch you really sound.

Do working class people in the UK not move to mainland Europe at all? I'm in Ireland and know 3 working class young people right now who are doing apprenticeships in other EU countries. Many working class kids move to the EU after college to work for a while. I can think of 4 out of 20 kids that I was in school with that worked in different EU countries for a time and I grew up in a poor area. My brother right now is working his way around Europe and we were pretty damn poor growing up.

Is there just no culture of travel amongst the working class in the UK or are the levels of deprivation so high that they genuinely can't afford it? I find it really hard to believe that it won't have any effect on working class youth in the UK that their freedom to do this has been taken away?

It happened a lot more frequently than this thread would have you believe mynameismargot. It won't happen nearly as much post Brexit.

looks at all the people saying it's absurd to hate someone else with a different view and wonders how many of them have made sarcastic/aggressive/ unnecessary comments directed at people who voted for Brexit

I don't hate people who vote for mainstream parties in the UK, or who voted for Brexit, etc. People who support neo-Nazis, ISIS, etc.- I would certainly be anxious about them and not want to be around them.

looks at all the people saying it's absurd to hate someone else with a different view and wonders how many of them have made sarcastic/aggressive/ unnecessary comments directed at people who voted for Brexit

Making sarcastic or even aggressive remarks is not the same as hating somebody though, is it? Arguments over this kind of topic can get very heated. Emotions run high. That's still not hatred.

It's not childish to express the actual vote as a % of the population.

Oh come on, it really is a desperate tactic when you try and use a % of total population to somehow infer that the referendum outcome was not legitimate. I wish remain won, they didn't, I'm still not thrilled about it. But lumping 21 million or so under 18s who can't vote into the 'no' camp is a bit pathetic.

@DillonPanthersTexas

It's not childish to express the actual vote as a % of the population.

Oh come on, it really is a desperate tactic when you try and use a % of total population to somehow infer that the referendum outcome was not legitimate. I wish remain won, they didn't, I'm still not thrilled about it. But lumping 21 million or so under 18s who can't vote into the 'no' camp is a bit pathetic.

No but there were serious questions about the legitimacy of the referendum.

People are probably too embarrassed to actually tackle that aspect though. Who knows. Our country is so immature with its democracy.

No but there were serious questions about the legitimacy of the referendum.

Fine, question that if you wish, just don't start including toddlers in the no camp in a feeble attempt to dilute the leave vote to something it wasn't. At the end of the day we can only count the votes of the people who bothered to go to the ballot box.

Tbh, I'm likely to hate somebody for their personality type than political leanings - manipulative, entitled, gobby, etc.

And given that the majority voted Brexit you'd expect to find more kindred spirits as a leave voter.

YANBU...My parents voted for Brexit despite making it clear to them that it would damage my business, which supports me and the grandchildren that they say they love so much. They put keeping foreigners out of the UK above their own family's welfare.

We are planning a move to a country with a more dynamic economy which is better for the line of work I am in and so they will become elderly and frail without my support and without seeing their grandchildren grow up. They are heartbroken but actions have consequences.