AIBU for thinking hating people for their political leanings is perfectly normal?

[VelvetChairGirl]

I have been reading a brexit thread on here and lots of brexit voters in it seem horrified that they are hated and families have stopped talking to each other, and cut each other off over it.

but its politics nothing affects us more then politics, we have people who cut off others for believing in conspiracy theories and things. Brexit is the biggest shake up in this country in my life time, its taken away our freedom of movement for work and education, needlessly introduced a tonne of red tape, made our rights and standards extremely vulnerable to being destroyed (tories dont like food standards and workers rights this is well documented and they are in charge right now), reduced our standing in the world and will very likely lead us to being the poor man of Europe again, not to mention the fact its cut off vital EU funding to science research, regeneration and education projects up and down the county.

it affects everyone, of course people are perfectly entitled to hate those who voted to hurt them financially, prospects wise etc as much as they would hate someone who physically stole from them, theres very little difference is there?

@TatianaBis

17 million....is that what you call a 'small bunch'?

Those Brexit voters are represent only 25% of the total population - a fraction. Many of those were soft Brexiters for economic reasons and were anti hard Brexit. There are considerably fewer Brexiters now the shit has begun to hit the fan.

Is there info on this? Fewer Brexiters that is

lollipop I agree with you, and am not comfortable with sweeping insults or of abusing people when you have no knowledge of where they are coming from or what their concerns are. I do think that remainers have also been targetted unthinkingly and abusively, as well. And part of me does think that people who triumphed in the vote got what they wanted and therefore could have been a bit kinder towards those of us who lost, instead of jeering at 'losers' and sneering about people not being able to get over it. I'm happy to admit that in this, yes, I am a loser and I definitely won't be getting over it anytime soon. I'm v glad that Brexit hasn't hurt you every day. I'm in a line of work where it has had a massive impact, and work with huge numbers of EU colleagues, who have been badly affected, so some of the hurt is admittedly secondhand (but I do still mind very much!).

The bookmakers have put odds on us rejoining the EU by 2026 as increasingly likely, apparently. I don't really understand betting, so sorry if this isn't the right terminology. I'm not at all convinced, as I'm not sure that they would have us back any time soon, but we could hope to rejoin the customs union and single market perhaps.

Only 46.5million are registered to vote.
35.5million who were bothered enough to vote.

Which doesn't alter the fact that, within the population, it was only 17.4 million who voted for us to leave, which is a small proportion, as tatiana said.

If you look at the poll maps over the past few years, Remain is more often ahead than Leave.

Of the soft Brexiters I know - most of them have admitted it was a mistake.

Generally educated Brexiters tend to be soft Brexiters so they were not in favour of hard Brexit we ended up with + they can understand the consequences better.

That was to @MarshaBradyo

@TatianaBis

If you look at the poll maps over the past few years, Remain is more often ahead than Leave.

Of the soft Brexiters I know - most of them have admitted it was a mistake.

Generally educated Brexiters tend to be soft Brexiters so they were not in favour of hard Brexit we ended up with + they can understand the consequences better.

Most polls before the vote said that Remain would win so I would take those with a pinch of salt.

I don’t think that’s true, many polls predicted the Leave win.

That said, it does indicate the public is more generally Remain than the sample of people who actually voted would imply.

Most polls before the vote said that Remain would win so I would take those with a pinch of salt.

No they didn't, its another Leave lie. Polls flip/flopped between lose and Remain.

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@adeleh

In response to your earlier question skinny I'll admit to working at a university that would be thought of probably as one of the elite. However, it does have a significant intake of working class, low-income students, and a great many of these have benefitted from Erasmus. I also have worked with schools from poor areas who have benefitted from Erasmus. And the previous university I worked at was very definitely not elite, and the Erasmus scheme worked very well there as well.

I'd love to see those figures as it doesn't quite tally up with the ones I have. There are always exceptions of course and some unis are very good at social mobility but my research specifically focuses on access to HE and specifically access to elite institutions by non-traditional students and includes what they do when they are there and what they do when they leave. I've not seen any evidence that huge numbers of non-traditional students have benefited from Erasmus pre uni or while they are there.

Which doesn't alter the fact that, within the population, it was only 17.4 million who voted for us to leave, which is a small proportion, as tatiana said.

But a bigger proportion than those who voted to remain.

@SkinnyMirror

I think people’s perceptions of what “working class” is vastly different. I employ a number of students who describe themselves as being from a working class family but they went to private school.

I was born to teenage parents, in a very economically deprived town and lived in a family which survived on benefits for the majority of my childhood. My idea and experience of working class doesn’t stretch to a private school education.

If we could find the Erasmus numbers for students who have been in receipt of FSM, or the number of students at elite universities who have been in receipt of FSM, I’d bet my life your numbers were much closer than @adeleh’s

If we could find the Erasmus numbers for students who have been in receipt of FSM, or the number of students at elite universities who have been in receipt of FSM, I’d bet my life your numbers were much closer than @adeleh’s

They would be. I use a number of ways to define working class ( or non traditional students) which includes things like FSM, POLAR data, parental occupation, school attended which gives you a clearer picture.

Those Brexit voters are represent only 25% of the total population - a fraction

FFS, I voted remain but I wish people would stop including under 18s who can't vote in any election/referendum in a feeble attempt to dilute the share of the leave vote. It's really childish.

@DillonPanthersTexas

Those Brexit voters are represent only 25% of the total population - a fraction

FFS, I voted remain but I wish people would stop including under 18s who can't vote in any election/referendum in a feeble attempt to dilute the share of the leave vote. It's really childish.

Yes it’s a bit silly if it’s a fraction then remain was a smaller fraction.

I voted remain so I wanted it to go that way. I’ve accepted by now it didn’t

I often vote differently to my DH.
He voted for Brexit, I didnt. He normally votes Tory. I don't.
My Dad voted for Brexit. He said it didnt really matter because he wouldnt be around to see the full impact. (and he has since passed away)

YABU. Even about Brexit. I was and am a total Remainer. But it simply isn't true that all Brexiteers are bigots. Only an isolated example, I know, but my DF voted for Brexit. He is one of the few people I know who actually did a great deal of reading up on it before voting. I don't agree with his opinion at all, but he knows a lot more about the EU than I do. He's not racist. He's not xenophobic. He's just wrong (imo). So do I hate him? No. He was voting on the basis of what he knows and how he sees things.

My DM, on the other hand, voted for Brexit as a knee-jerk reaction, didn't think it would happen, and regretted it as soon as she heard the result. (But I don't hate her either.)

I suppose I admire OP for having no doubts in their political convictions.

I don't. We should all regularly question our own convictions.

I accept that there were more Leave votes than Remain votes at the referendum. But I don't accept that this means that most of the population are Leavers. I am also absolutely furious with Cameron and his lot for not bothering with safeguards because they were too lazy and arrogant. I've never forgotten Alec Salmond suggesting that there should be a supermajority and that idiot, David Lidington saying that nothing like that was needed because it wasn't as if anyone was going to implement the result. And here we are.

This isn’t “just politics” any more. The British economy is slowly collapsing. So yes I can understand the anger and hate flying around and the creation of new “mental health” industries for the middle classes will not paper over the cracks forever.

Please stop teasing and torturing yourselves. It is over. We have to live with the consequences. It is done.
We, YES us, the people of these islands we have to work together and make it work.

There is no way back. The EU would not take us back. You would never get a big majority. Imagine a 60/40 vote. There would be NO discussion.

We are on our own.

@DillonPanthersTexas

Those Brexit voters are represent only 25% of the total population - a fraction

FFS, I voted remain but I wish people would stop including under 18s who can't vote in any election/referendum in a feeble attempt to dilute the share of the leave vote. It's really childish.

It's not childish to express the actual vote as a % of the population.

And children who were 13 at the time of the referendum, are now 18 and voting.

You can discard the 12 and unders if it makes you happy but it won't make that much difference to the %.