AIBU for thinking hating people for their political leanings is perfectly normal?

[VelvetChairGirl]

I have been reading a brexit thread on here and lots of brexit voters in it seem horrified that they are hated and families have stopped talking to each other, and cut each other off over it.

but its politics nothing affects us more then politics, we have people who cut off others for believing in conspiracy theories and things. Brexit is the biggest shake up in this country in my life time, its taken away our freedom of movement for work and education, needlessly introduced a tonne of red tape, made our rights and standards extremely vulnerable to being destroyed (tories dont like food standards and workers rights this is well documented and they are in charge right now), reduced our standing in the world and will very likely lead us to being the poor man of Europe again, not to mention the fact its cut off vital EU funding to science research, regeneration and education projects up and down the county.

it affects everyone, of course people are perfectly entitled to hate those who voted to hurt them financially, prospects wise etc as much as they would hate someone who physically stole from them, theres very little difference is there?

I voted remain and DH voted to leave. Not sure what that means.

I shared a flat at uni with two very working class friends - they were council estate/ FSMs, and they both got Erasmus grants and went on a year abroad. They absolutely loved it. That was Nottingham Uni.

@NantesElephant

YANBU...My parents voted for Brexit despite making it clear to them that it would damage my business, which supports me and the grandchildren that they say they love so much. They put keeping foreigners out of the UK above their own family's welfare.

We are planning a move to a country with a more dynamic economy which is better for the line of work I am in and so they will become elderly and frail without my support and without seeing their grandchildren grow up. They are heartbroken but actions have consequences.

So if your parents had voted remain you would have stayed in the U.K.?

Or would you have gone anyway if the result was to Leave regardless of how you parents voted.

From your post it sounds a bit like 'you didn't vote how we wanted you too so now we are off, you don't get to see the grandchildren grow up and I won't be looking after you when you are old, that'll teach you'.'

@DillonPanthersTexas

It's not childish to express the actual vote as a % of the population.

Oh come on, it really is a desperate tactic when you try and use a % of total population to somehow infer that the referendum outcome was not legitimate. I wish remain won, they didn't, I'm still not thrilled about it. But lumping 21 million or so under 18s who can't vote into the 'no' camp is a bit pathetic.

It really is a desperate tactic to witter about desperate tactics.

I didn’t imply (you meant imply not infer) that the vote was not legitimate I simply put it in context.

It’s perfectly normal to express a vote per population.

Like I said all the 13 year olds 5 years ago are now adults.

My business lost £££ due to Brexit and a move would not have been on the table had Brexit not happened. So no, it’s not down to the personal vote of my parents as such but their attitude has influenced my decision.

Ionlydomassiveones

“Brexit has hurt me every single day since June 24th 2016.”

But that’s you. This is what the middle classes don’t get, and why remain lost. Do you even realise that the majority of ordinary people in this country are busy just putting a roof over their heads and feeding their kids? They are not crying every day because poor Sebastian and Hermione are ‘no longer able to be in orchestras, to study abroad, to get Erasmus grants.’ Ffs. What planet are you on? Privilege planet. Remainers call the working classes thick or ‘misled’ but have no idea how stupid and out of touch you really sound.
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Don't you think that most 'middle class' people are quite ordinary and primarily concerned with keeping a roof over their heads and bringing up their children? The people you describe above are the wealthy, not your average 'middle class' teacher or pharmacist. What's more you are talking in stereotypes, not many people are that shallow.

I am a Remainer and have never called the 'working class' thick or misled, that is a sweeping statement.

What I will say, based on conversations I have heard, is the many Brexiters voted that way purely because they did not want foreigners in their neck of the woods, which is quite ridiculous. However it has nothing to do with class.

@NantesElephant

YANBU...My parents voted for Brexit despite making it clear to them that it would damage my business, which supports me and the grandchildren that they say they love so much. They put keeping foreigners out of the UK above their own family's welfare.

We are planning a move to a country with a more dynamic economy which is better for the line of work I am in and so they will become elderly and frail without my support and without seeing their grandchildren grow up. They are heartbroken but actions have consequences.

It’s sad that you are framing it like this. Your parents two votes were actually quite meaningless in the whole scheme of things and I cannot believe someone would say this to their parents because of how they voted for something. After all, if they are on a fixed income, the presence of lots of foreigners in the area can lead to (for example) financial pressures on services and such, so it’s a two-way street and you may not be thinking of their position as valid, well, you never will, will you?

Anyone who "hates" someone for the above reasons is either extremely childish or just plain stupid.

I would say one of these or possibly they haven’t had an opportunity to experience true hate. To me you ‘hate’ your rapist or abusive ex, or someone who killed your family member in a hit and run or something similar. Hate is a personalised feeling I reserve for people who have truly hurt me. I couldn’t imagine hating someone because they voted differently to me. Or if I did I don’t know what emotion I’d feel for someone who had actually hurt me.

I can see why others hate Tory voters after all the damage they have done to this country, yes. What makes it worse is, despite knowing this, they voted them in again! I can also see why people hate Brexit voters for all the damage it will do and has already done to this country. If you’re going to be mature enough to vote, you need to be well informed.

Someone’s political leaning tells me all I need to know about that persons morals.

I’m centrist. Would have been a leftie years ago but because w it’s extremely left. None of the parties appeal to me. So it is a judgement call. I firmly believe that most voters who turn up to vote will try to make an informed decision as to what will make the country a better place to live. I never voted Tory, however most of the voters did. I won’t hate most of the population for it.

@VelvetChairGirl

Yes nothing in common at tall with brexiteers or anti vaccine people

So Yes. Former so. Alex friends have been well they are not friends any more.

@Clumsyvolcano

I can see why others hate Tory voters after all the damage they have done to this country, yes. What makes it worse is, despite knowing this, they voted them in again! I can also see why people hate Brexit voters for all the damage it will do and has already done to this country. If you’re going to be mature enough to vote, you need to be well informed.

Someone’s political leaning tells me all I need to know about that persons morals.

Intolerance tells me all I need to know about that person.

@NantesElephant

YANBU...My parents voted for Brexit despite making it clear to them that it would damage my business, which supports me and the grandchildren that they say they love so much. They put keeping foreigners out of the UK above their own family's welfare.

We are planning a move to a country with a more dynamic economy which is better for the line of work I am in and so they will become elderly and frail without my support and without seeing their grandchildren grow up. They are heartbroken but actions have consequences.

Are you moving to a country in the EU?

I don't hate anyone because of their political leanings but I certainly dislike them and judge them for them. I'm sorry but if someone supports and votes Tories I would just never look at them the same and judge them heavily. I could only continue the friendship if we never spoke about it. In a relationship it would be a deal breaker.

@wherethereisonethereismany

I don't hate anyone because of their political leanings but I certainly dislike them and judge them for them. I'm sorry but if someone supports and votes Tories I would just never look at them the same and judge them heavily. I could only continue the friendship if we never spoke about it. In a relationship it would be a deal breaker.

Intolerance again. That is a slippery slope.

Embrace differences. Learn from them. It's how all societies progress and advance. Political parties of all colours always need to learn and improve.

Nobody has all the right answers. Not even you

This thread is truly depressing. Hatred is a dangerous thing. It never leads anywhere good. Tolerance and kindness and a desire to see another’s point of view are what make a good and fair society. Hatred is for Nazis. Anyone who feels righteous about hating others needs to take a good hard look at themselves.

Religious extremists and Paedophiles are in another category , but even then it’s useful to try to understand how and why those views and behaviours started. Just hating people because they don’t agree with your viewpoint is dangerous and unevolved.

‘Hate’ of groups is both intellectually moribund and historically literate.

Anyone with any overview of the past knows where ‘hate’ in political dialogue gets us: Northern Ireland Troubles is a pretty near example.

There are so many threads over the last few years with anti-Brexit hardline posters screaming more and more abuse…they’ve done themselves so much harm.

**But that’s you. This is what the middle classes don’t get, and why remain lost. Do you even realise that the majority of ordinary people in this country are busy just putting a roof over their heads and feeding their kids? They are not crying every day because poor Sebastian and Hermione are ‘no longer able to be in orchestras, to study abroad, to get Erasmus grants.’ Ffs. What planet are you on? Privilege planet. Remainers call the working classes thick or ‘misled’ but have no idea how stupid and out of touch you really sound.

This. There are huge swathes of our population working for wages so low that they have to rely on benefits to survive. These are the people I thought of in the hope that society might begin to place some value on those that facilitate our comfortable lives. Lorry drivers appear to currently be a case in point. This country has ignored the working class for too long and eventually it will affect us all.

It’s perfectly normal to express a vote per population.

Except that it is isn't, published election results are always based on the turn out, not as a % of total population. Seriously, go and find a respectable publication that published the last general election result as a total population. Why would you include 21 million under 18 year olds who are not eligible to vote in your final figures? The only people who do this usual have an agenda.

Certainly not ‘normal’ and definitely not healthy.

There are huge swathes of our population working for wages so low that they have to rely on benefits to survive. These are the people I thought of in the hope that society might begin to place some value on those that facilitate our comfortable lives. Lorry drivers appear to currently be a case in point. This country has ignored the working class for too long and eventually it will affect us all.
Spot on. Remainers are too self absorbed to concede that Brexit is good for some demographics

I’ve worked in schools where there are only 1-3 children in each class who speak English. This means that their exposure to fluent English is very limited. The teachers struggle to balance making sure the other 25 kids can understand what is going on and will usually use basic English to convey their messages to the class.
I’ve seen how that, as well as the children having to speak in basic or pigeon English all day in order to make friends, impacts the English speaking children.
For example, they begin saying “me, pen please” and having to be prompted and reminded to use full sentences.
These children come from very poor families and face huge obstacles and difficulties due to their economic/ social background as it is. Add on to this such a limited exposure to the English language and you’ve got a group of failed children.
Their parents lack the finances needed to move to an area in the city where this wouldn’t be an issue.

This is just one example I’ve witnessed where I understand how the very poor feel they are baring the brunt of being in the EU.

I totally understand why they felt Brexit was their only hope.

It may be ' normal'. Doesn't make it right.

@a8mint

There are huge swathes of our population working for wages so low that they have to rely on benefits to survive. These are the people I thought of in the hope that society might begin to place some value on those that facilitate our comfortable lives. Lorry drivers appear to currently be a case in point. This country has ignored the working class for too long and eventually it will affect us all. Spot on. Remainers are too self absorbed to concede that Brexit is good for some demographics

Actually it's nonsense. Lorry drivers earn a very good wage so are hardly the deprived underclass. Brexit is bad for all of us, as we are starting to see

**Actually it's nonsense. Lorry drivers earn a very good wage so are hardly the deprived underclass.
Brexit is bad for all of us, as we are starting to see

Tell that to the millions who will have to choose between heating their home or feeding their children this winter. People cannot survive on NMW.

Lorry drivers are skilled drivers who obviously are not paid highly enough to retain sufficient numbers of them.

Remuneration should reflect the value of that job upon society as a whole. Anyone with parents in care will tell how vital minimum wage carers are.