AIBU for thinking hating people for their political leanings is perfectly normal?

[VelvetChairGirl]

I have been reading a brexit thread on here and lots of brexit voters in it seem horrified that they are hated and families have stopped talking to each other, and cut each other off over it.

but its politics nothing affects us more then politics, we have people who cut off others for believing in conspiracy theories and things. Brexit is the biggest shake up in this country in my life time, its taken away our freedom of movement for work and education, needlessly introduced a tonne of red tape, made our rights and standards extremely vulnerable to being destroyed (tories dont like food standards and workers rights this is well documented and they are in charge right now), reduced our standing in the world and will very likely lead us to being the poor man of Europe again, not to mention the fact its cut off vital EU funding to science research, regeneration and education projects up and down the county.

it affects everyone, of course people are perfectly entitled to hate those who voted to hurt them financially, prospects wise etc as much as they would hate someone who physically stole from them, theres very little difference is there?

Well, unfortunately, lollipop the lives of millions are about to get worse now that we’ve left the European Internal Energy Market’.
And food is going to be more expensive because of trade barriers or having to have more imported from more distant markets.

I have a wide circle of friends and family in real life and some of them have differing views to me. It lends itself to some interesting discussions and debates at dinner parties, but no way would I hate someone for having differing political views to me - unless they were very extreme, of course. Anyone who truly hates someone else for their political views alone is probably very extreme themselves.

@BigWoollyJumpers

the cons have moved far right

In defence of balance, I would actually say the current tory party are the most left wing socialist tories we have had for generations. In terms of the last year and a half, they have pumped billions into the economy and supported more individuals and industries than at any time since the second world war.

This. Johnson's Government is far more left-wing than Thatcher's. She really was incapable of giving the impression she cared as unemployment soared to 3 million in 1980's.

The Tories have to put money and development into the 'red wall ' seats and indeed they are, if they don't they will lose them at the next election and they know it.

It wasn't particularly aimed at you skinny - it was aimed at several posters. I don't see why only some losses brought about by Brexit can be mentioned, especially when nobody getting exercised about the mention of a middle-class activity is able to turn round and point to a demonstrable benefit for anybody else. If middle class kids were called upon to sacrifice a benefit and we could see that it was benefitting a working-class child, then I might well support that wholeheartedly - but that's not what's happening. And until there's evidence of something other than loss after loss after loss for various demographics, all experiencing it differently, then no I won't be reining in my anger. I especially won't be reining it in for people who call me stupid and out-of-touch, while moaning about being called stupid themselves. I've never in my life called a Leave voter stupid, so don't really see why I should have to put up with it.

@OneTC

Unless it's genuinely extreme politics then no it's completely fucking bonkers

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@TheNatureOfTheCatastrophe

I think if you're going around actually hating half the country that's going to be hazardous to your mental health.

Surely anyone who hates is already...…. Hating damages the one who hates

In response to your earlier question skinny I'll admit to working at a university that would be thought of probably as one of the elite. However, it does have a significant intake of working class, low-income students, and a great many of these have benefitted from Erasmus. I also have worked with schools from poor areas who have benefitted from Erasmus. And the previous university I worked at was very definitely not elite, and the Erasmus scheme worked very well there as well.

dotoall - the unemployment figures today are kept artificially low, as they don't include the people on zero-hours contracts who very often are not working.
And until we have a minimum wage that is actually a living wage I don't think Johnson can really be congratulated for caring.

I think you need to go deeper and separate out why someone holds a view rather than it being representative of their entire personality.

I have friends who voted for brexit, I find brexit abhorrent but they voted for it because they have different ideas of what is important in relation to one issue, and are overall good people who I have other common ground with.

I also have relatives who voted for it because they think it will mean no more ethnic minority people in the country. So no, I think hating them is fine, but I hate them for being racist morons rather than a specific political view.

@Ionlydomassiveones

“Brexit has hurt me every single day since June 24th 2016.”

But that’s you. This is what the middle classes don’t get, and why remain lost. Do you even realise that the majority of ordinary people in this country are busy just putting a roof over their heads and feeding their kids? They are not crying every day because poor Sebastian and Hermione are ‘no longer able to be in orchestras, to study abroad, to get Erasmus grants.’ Ffs. What planet are you on? Privilege planet. Remainers call the working classes thick or ‘misled’ but have no idea how stupid and out of touch you really sound.

Not this again.

You don’t even realise that Brexit impacts the poorest and least privileged the most: precisely those who are struggling to keep a roof over their heads and feed their kids.

The rich middle classes are fine. They can afford to pay higher prices on all European imports. Their businesses can afford to adapt to the new status quo and/or absorb the higher costs of exporting to the EU.

With Brexit + Covid - you are about to see poverty in this country like you have never seen before. And you voted for it.

I think many are missing the point when they ask who’s Brexit working out for those who voted for Brexit ?

The issue was for so many that they had years of wages stagnating, low investment in their area, a widening gap. They had been suffering for years. Certain cities having huge amounts of investment, England become more and more London centric

A chance for a real change. It’s beyond belief that politicians didn’t realise so many would vote for this. They were suffering why not take a gamble when governments had let them down again and again

You want to blame people for Brexit look to our politicians and our governments labour, Tory and coalition

I don’t hate people with different political views but they can make me angry. A small bunch of people have fucked up this country for everyone else, and they will simply have to get used to the ire.

@Youseethethingis

Am I supposed not to hate regimes that legitimise raping and murdering women and children I think you're supposed not to mix up genocidal maniacs with people who, for example, would like controlled immigration and the bins emptied every Wednesday.

Yes. There is a difference. Most atrocities do not take place within genuine democracies.

Hate the Tories and think Brexit is bonkers, but I wouldn’t not talk to family who support either. My husbands family are rabid Brexiteers and working-class Tories but we just try to avoid the topics because it’s ended badly in the past. I probably wouldn’t go out of my way to make friends with any Tories generally though.

The issue was for so many that they had years of wages stagnating, low investment in their area, a widening gap. They had been suffering for years. Certain cities having huge amounts of investment, England become more and more London centric

A chance for a real change. It’s beyond belief that politicians didn’t realise so many would vote for this. They were suffering why not take a gamble when governments had let them down again and n

Tell me - when you are down to your last tenner, would you gamble it on a promise of unicorns and cake or would you feed your kids with it?

Brexiters claim their vote was caused by wage stagnation, low investment etc - but these are all responsibility of the British government not the EU. The EU was actually a major source of funding in deprived areas of Cornwall, Wales and the north. Now that is gone and will not be replaced.

The change you have voted for is less money for your area not more. Less profit for local businesses who can no longer trade easily with Europe.

#owngoal

The change you have voted for is less money for your area not more. Less profit for local businesses who can no longer trade easily with Europe.

But lots more profit for the wealthy, whose riches will no longer be subject to scrutiny under the anti-tax-avoidance measures that the EU are bringing in. And with these protected wealth they can buy up all the failing businesses and set up their own firms with no workers' rights or protections, because, you know, no EU laws. It's no coincidence that Jacob Rees-Mogg's Dad wrote a book about disaster capitalism.

@TatianaBis

I don’t hate people with different political views but they can make me angry. A small bunch of people have fucked up this country for everyone else, and they will simply have to get used to the ire.

17 million....is that what you call a 'small bunch'?

17 million out of 67 million is definitely a minority.

@adeleh

17 million out of 67 million is definitely a minority.

Only 46.5million are registered to vote. 35.5million who were bothered enough to vote.

@adeleh

Well, unfortunately, lollipop the lives of millions are about to get worse now that we’ve left the European Internal Energy Market’. And food is going to be more expensive because of trade barriers or having to have more imported from more distant markets.

I voted remain and agree with you on the benefits of being in the Eu. I was equally sad when we left but wouldn’t go as far as to say my life has been hurt every day since 2016!

What I can’t abide are people who hate or ridicule or undermine people who voted for brexit, or make them out to be stupid or racist, without fully understanding their reasons for doing so. There were many valid reasons for voting leave, and obviously no one could foresee the pandemic.

17 million....is that what you call a 'small bunch'?

Those Brexit voters are represent only 25% of the total population - a fraction. Many of those were soft Brexiters for economic reasons and were anti hard Brexit. There are considerably fewer Brexiters now the shit has begun to hit the fan.

With regard Erasmus, I agree, it probably was mostly middle class kids who benefitted. Its replacement will be even more exclusive and costly so my kids will be ok, we can afford it. Posters celebrating the end of Erasmus and the fact thousands of young people would have those opportunities now just sound spiteful.

A kid like me growing up would never have benefitted from Erasmus. I had every deprivation going and left school (and home) at 15. FOM did give somebody like me the opportunity to just rock up virtually pennyless on the continent and get a job cleaning hotel rooms, and know, i didn't already speak the language. My experience expanded my horizons no end and i am so, so grateful for it. This is what our poorest and most deprived kids have lost. Even TUI is now only hiring EU passport holders for rep work.

thousands of young people won't have those opportunities now

A kid like me growing up would never have benefitted from Erasmus. I had every deprivation going and left school (and home) at 15. FOM did give somebody like me the opportunity to just rock up virtually pennyless on the continent and get a job cleaning hotel rooms, and know, i didn't already speak the language. My experience expanded my horizons no end and i am so, so grateful for it. This is what our poorest and most deprived kids have lost. Even TUI is now only hiring EU passport holders for rep work.

Absolutely.

I don’t know what is so hard to understand that having only one country to choose from for work is a step back from 28.