To despise those that voted for Brexit when I’m doing my weekly shop

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So little stock on the shelves. Makes the weekly shop a complete nightmare as you just cannot meal plan anymore.

I didn’t vote for this absolute shit storm.

70 million folk voted for Trump for a second time. unbelievable to any rational critical mind I know, but Brexit plays to a British version of that constituency.

It's how they 'feel' is far more important than any factual reality and that's why culture wars are so toxic. Doesn't matter how bad the shitshow gets play the trans toilets, statues, migrants with flag-waving and English exceptionalism etc into their world view and the tories are home and dry. "Shortages" frame it as the EU have shown their true nefarious nature we are better off out with elusive jam tomorrow than being walked over today.

Straight out of the Steve Bannon playbook and as the economic situation gets worse which it inevitably will they will up the volume of this discourse.

Life in the future was never going to be as good as it was. We were living in an increasingly unsustainable way in an increasingly interconnected world.

People are freaking out because they can’t get a frozen chicken. They are totally head in the sand about the state of the world and the level of change we are facing.

@Clavinova

Nothing reported, and judging by how much the Spanish press has reported the electricity prices (daily updates alongside COVID case numbers)

How did the protest go?

Activists affiliated with the Communist Party Workers of Spain (PCTE) are protesting in cities around the country Sept.14 to denounce rising electricity costs. The following locations have been announced: Madrid, Barcelona, Bilbao, Cordoba, Donostia, Leon, Malaga, Salamanca, Santander, Seville, Valladolid.

Although you raise an interesting point. Why the hell can’t we Brits protest OUR Gas increases and food shortages and sewage in our rivers and food rotting in our fields? Instead we’re like “well I went to sainsburys just after their 9 am delivery and bought salmon so NOTHING TO SEE HERE.”

@tobedtoMNandfart

We still eat like kings though, unlike the vast majority of humanity ...

Very true

Good to see this topic has been allowed to stand in AIBU rather than being dispatched to the hidden cave elsewhere.

British exceptionalism is a factor. Better than anyone else, Blitz spirit, get rid of the foreigners, we are great, we can do it all alone, and we will face down those arrogant faceless bureaucrats in the EU deciding how we should live our lives. Sure.

As an island nation, isolating the country from a market as big as the EU is a disaster. Everyone knows it, but the Emperor's clothes and all that.

Those who voted for Brexit in my view generally fit in with the exceptionalist cohort, with many of them being racist also. Dreadful stuff.

No one likes to admit they were totally hoodwinked, no one wants a lower standard of living, no one wants rising prices, no one wants lack of choice. But it's the old grin and bear it from those who voted Brexit really. Never explain, never apologise, Britannia rules.

Like others, I still await the list of benefits to leaving. We will never know because no one will admit that there are none. Government approved approach too.

@Theoldprospector

Life in the future was never going to be as good as it was. We were living in an increasingly unsustainable way in an increasingly interconnected world.

People are freaking out because they can’t get a frozen chicken. They are totally head in the sand about the state of the world and the level of change we are facing.

We would have had better chance of changing that as part of the EU.

People aren’t freaking out about not being able to get a frozen chicken - they’re freaking out about not being able to get a frozen chicken due to a situation where we’re worse off in every single way. I guarantee if Brexit meant we were combating climate change or the NHS was being fully funded, people wouldn’t give a shit about not being able to get a frozen chicken.

Gove on Marr, 2019: “there will be no shortage of food.”

Daily Mail, 2021: Boris Johnson has put Michael Gove in charge of resolving problems with the UK's food supply chains amid warnings from business chiefs of shortages at Christmas.

Despise people that exercised their democratic vote in a different way to you?

Grow up.

I wasn't actually worried because I've been ordering my groceries online but three times this week I have popped into different stores and all looked ransacked. I live in a deprived area. Tesco had freezers empty/off. A delivery must have just come in because there were stacks of fruit and veg waiting to be shelved. Chicken... what's that?! I went there to buy dinner and there were no wings, thighs or drumsticks. So bought one of the last boxes of whole legs, fine by me but not what my kids will eat unless I cut them up. So be it. Loads of milk though, great as I could not get anything above 2 pints at another store.

It's really opened my eyes to these conversations because I do feel like I've been shielded from the stark slap one gets when faced with empty shelves.

The cost of food has increased quite noticably over the past year or so. We are high earners so can absorb this but a quick chat with my retired neighbors makes me very worried about the increasing energy costs alongside the increase in food costs. What a mess.

SE and no problems here, thankfully.

‘We would have had better chance of changing that as part of the EU.’

We can’t change it. The world is not going to become less connected.

There’s a whole disconnect here between understanding the difference between the standard of living we enjoy in the U.K. and what life is like in Eritrea or even Southern Italy.

@Theoldprospector

‘We would have had better chance of changing that as part of the EU.’

We can’t change it. The world is not going to become less connected.

There’s a whole disconnect here between understanding the difference between the standard of living we enjoy in the U.K. and what life is like in Eritrea or even Southern Italy.

Is this the old race to the bottom argument again?

Emerging issue is that the dairies and other suppliers are being pressured to supply big supermarkets first as that's where the cash is. Very bad news for smaller shops.

I went to the coop earlier and was shocked. Virtually empty fridges. I got food for our Sunday lunch but there was hardly any choice. Worse than any point of the pandemic.

I'm also despondent that no vote has gone my way in a very long time and I'm quite moderate in my views. It makes me feel really out of touch with society.

‘Is this the old race to the bottom argument again?’

I don’t know what this means.

@Theoldprospector

‘Is this the old race to the bottom argument again?’

I don’t know what this means.

That we should be grateful for what we’ve got because others have it worse?

No.

@carlycurly yes I completely agree with you regarding your vote. The same for me, I feel like I can’t identify with our society.

@Theoldprospector

No.

So what then? What’s your point?

we should be grateful for what we’ve got because others have it worse

Don't recall seeing that in any Tory/Brexit manifesto ....

@Notthemessiah

No tonic water? However will you cope?

🤣🤣. Aldi do a good rip off of fever tree, maybe pop there tomorrow op.

The only benefit that I can see is for those on the ‘have’ side of the increasingly yawning divide from the ‘have nots’. I can only see a dystopian future with a return to an upstairs / downstairs society. Add in environmental disasters, technology that is used for nefarious purposes, terrorism / civil uprising etc. our children will be living very different lives.

Lies like this

That we can’t expect to maintain such a standard when that is not available to the rest of the world and cannot be sustained.

That we can’t expect to be supplied by the EU at a level that isn’t even enjoyed by many of their own citizens.

And that we shouldn’t expect, either in or out of the EU to have a level of security that both the EU and our own government have demonstrated they cannot provide.

Parts of the EU couldn’t even access medical care after the economic crisis. The U.K. and EU both had failures during COVID.

We were always allowed to weigh in lb and Oz but needed metric alongside

Not without a fight it seems;

2007
EU gives up on 'metric Britain'

Under the plans which have now been scrapped, even displaying the price of fruit and vegetables in pounds and ounces would have become grounds for a criminal prosecution. ...

The commission kept extending the deadline for the UK to complete the full transition to the metric system, with the most recent deadline being 2010.

This would have meant setting a deadline for ending the traditional delivery of pints of milk - and the sale of pints of beer in the UK's pubs.

Every one of the UK's road signs would have had to be changed from miles to kilometres...

[Europe's Industry Commissioner Gunter] Verheugen said;

"I want to bring to an end a bitter, bitter battle that has lasted for decades..."

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6988521.stm

@tempchecked

Good to see this topic has been allowed to stand in AIBU rather than being dispatched to the hidden cave elsewhere.

British exceptionalism is a factor. Better than anyone else, Blitz spirit, get rid of the foreigners, we are great, we can do it all alone, and we will face down those arrogant faceless bureaucrats in the EU deciding how we should live our lives. Sure.

As an island nation, isolating the country from a market as big as the EU is a disaster. Everyone knows it, but the Emperor's clothes and all that.

Those who voted for Brexit in my view generally fit in with the exceptionalist cohort, with many of them being racist also. Dreadful stuff.

No one likes to admit they were totally hoodwinked, no one wants a lower standard of living, no one wants rising prices, no one wants lack of choice. But it's the old grin and bear it from those who voted Brexit really. Never explain, never apologise, Britannia rules.

Like others, I still await the list of benefits to leaving. We will never know because no one will admit that there are none. Government approved approach too.

Here, here. Couldn't agree more.