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To despise those that voted for Brexit when I’m doing my weekly shop

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checkedcloth · 19/09/2021 13:05

So little stock on the shelves. Makes the weekly shop a complete nightmare as you just cannot meal plan anymore.

I didn’t vote for this absolute shit storm.

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Mancity100 · 19/09/2021 14:45

The vile hate from the remoaners is a joke , you lost not once but twice

Just been morrisons West Yorkshire and shelves full , been to sainsbury's last week shelves full

Infact I work all over and shelves are full

The person who can't get her tonic water and sparking water probably does not see her people like her causing the climate disaster

bogoffmda · 19/09/2021 14:45

Booknooks - are you joking.
A shortage of NHS staff - from care homes to nurses, technicians to doctors etc.

No matter how much money you put into the NHS - every human has a physical limit as to what they can do. I don't want the monies I want a break - where no one calls me from work begging me to come in and anaesthetise another list because it it cancer patients and they know you are in the country and don't say ignore the phone - withheld numbers or numbers not in contact book etc. Was allegedly on holiday last week - phone call every day somtimes x3 per day.

This was occurring pre Covid as people could not afford the £10K it was going to cost them to stay in the country. Now it is worse.

This is Brexit related and exacerbated by Covid - whilst many have been furloughed and worked from home - the call to get back to work in the NHS is like red rag to a bull.

That 3% pay award has just disappeared as 1.25% will go back to the Govt as increased NI. At the rate we are going 54% of my pay will go back to the govt as tax - ffffffs.

binkydebonky · 19/09/2021 14:46

[quote Noodella18]@binkydebonky with lorry drivers brexit is a major factor. There are now very fiddly import and export regulations which are checked at the borders. Many hauliers are now unwilling to cross the border due to the risk of delays and also litigation i.e. if they have a load from more than one company and one lot of paperwork hasn't been filled on correctly then the whole truck gets delayed and the haulier gets stung by the companies with correct paperwork. This means there are fewer european drivers coming into the UK and available to work. I work in research and have specifically spoken to companies about this very issue - it's brexit. Import and export volumes as a whole have also reduced because of the need for this new paperwork, which again means fewer eu drivers crossing the border.[/quote]
No
www.thegrocer.co.uk/supply-chain/the-real-causes-of-the-hgv-driver-shortage-and-why-we-cant-blame-it-all-on-brexit/659841.article

Yes brexit and covid are part of the story..but far the major part

CaribouCarafe · 19/09/2021 14:46

YANBU - in fact I was so disgusted by the vote that I left the UK shortly after with my European husband.

It's just sad to watch from abroad what is happening to the UK - I feel sorry for everyone who voted remain and I feel sorry for everyone who did not vote Tory. I feel sorry for those who could not vote.

I do not feel sorry for the others though and am quite happy to see them suffer a bit.

Unfortunately there's collateral damage on the people who did not vote for Brexit and for this shitshow of a government.

Also lol at the person upthread who said you can replace your tonic water with tap water - that's going to be a lovely mixer for your gin! Gin Envy

RollaCola84 · 19/09/2021 14:47

@checkedcloth and it doesn't matter if it was caviar. Things were available now they're not and the primary reason is Brexit. Leavers have spent years screaming that everything was going to be better, any criticisms were Project Fear, sunlit uplands and all that bollocks and where are we ? Being told we should be grateful that it's only salmon and fizzy water you can't get. I don't want to go back to the 50s in terms of variety of food.

Fbawtft · 19/09/2021 14:47

I agree with you there. Shortage of vets is a huge problem. Same with carers, nhs staff, hgv drivers

fourminutestosavetheworld · 19/09/2021 14:47

@Mancity100

The vile hate from the remoaners is a joke , you lost not once but twice

Just been morrisons West Yorkshire and shelves full , been to sainsbury's last week shelves full

Infact I work all over and shelves are full

The person who can't get her tonic water and sparking water probably does not see her people like her causing the climate disaster

Don't be silly. Press is full of news of uk food shortages. Just because your local shops are ok for now doesn't mean there isn't a problem does it?
tobedtoMNandfart · 19/09/2021 14:47

@checkedcloth

It’s fucking Salmon - not caviar
Brilliant!

Just out of interest was there any caviar? ... asking for a friend 😉

SusieBob · 19/09/2021 14:49

@Mancity100

The vile hate from the remoaners is a joke , you lost not once but twice

Just been morrisons West Yorkshire and shelves full , been to sainsbury's last week shelves full

Infact I work all over and shelves are full

The person who can't get her tonic water and sparking water probably does not see her people like her causing the climate disaster

And now everyone is losing every day.
Rosebel · 19/09/2021 14:49

There is a shortage of truck drivers in Europe too. Even in Poland where a lot of drivers came from don't have enough drivers.
It's the shortage of drivers that is the problem, perhaps you should be angrier that the companies don't pay decent wages.
Covid has also been a big factor in shortages too.

mustlovegin · 19/09/2021 14:49

It's just sad to watch from abroad what is happening to the UK

Don't feel sorry for us. We are doing fine

SilverGlitterBaubles · 19/09/2021 14:51

Let's just hope that we don't have any bad weather this winter, what with food and energy supplies already stretched what could possibly go wrong. Oh well glad we've got sovereignty to keep us fed and warm.

vera99 · 19/09/2021 14:51

Let's hope we don't run out of flags eh. Oh, look some migrants in a dinghy eating our taxes, build the bonfires ever higher.

Nadine Dorries is our culture secretary - let that sink in for a moment.

Kettledodger · 19/09/2021 14:51

I think people are getting things all very mixed up on this thread. First of all to despise people is really quite nasty and bitter not a good look on anyone. I also think as much as some of us wish it wasn't true Brexit happened and rather than STILL pitting half the country against the other half we should be trying to look forward and find the best way through.

The food issue is mainly not about shortages but about supply and distribution hence the reason some areas have Salmon and others don't as an example. While Brexit has been a contributing factor to our current labour shortages I think you will find that it is also Covid and the job itself (long hours, low pay) and with an ageing HGV driver workforce giving us the perfect storm.

Please lets not go down the route blaming everything bad that comes our way in the next decade on Brexit it's really not going to help. Lets instead focus on getting a government that will actually deal with this cluster fuck it a fair and decent way

gibletjane · 19/09/2021 14:52

I don't want to go back to the 50s in terms of variety of food.

Do you think nothing would have changed without Brexit? As I said I voted remain & actually am European but I think we were facing a decline in living standards regardless but undoubtedly Brexit had accelerated it. There is also a growing awareness of the impact of shipping food all over the world.

MrsLCSofLichfield · 19/09/2021 14:52

@fourminutestosavetheworld - the poster you quote also states that we lost twice. Shit, was there a second referendum I didn't know about? Is this in the same universe where ducks are peas? (Different thread, sorry). I think they are very confused, wouldn't have thought it of a Brexshiter.

mustlovegin · 19/09/2021 14:52

Press is full of news of uk food shortages

Which press? The Guardian? Shelves are mostly full where we are. I agree it must be a regional thing

VaguelyInteresting · 19/09/2021 14:53

Not RTFT but the point is not whether the things missing are frivolous or staples like bread and cheese (and it’s important to say it might be starting with salmon and tonic water but it’s a matter of time before it’s inhalers, aspirin and sewage cleaning chemicals- water companies have already had their operating guidelines relaxed by govt in anticipation of chemicals used to treat sewage running out).

The point is it’s all utterly fucking needless. We didn’t need to do this. For almost half the country it’s been an immense act of self harm and for the other half, it’s been a harm inflicted on them. Of course there’s resentment from those who didn’t vote for Brexit. They warned of exactly this scenario, and now here it is.

I’d leave the country if I could tomorrow - but oh shit- we no longer have free movement to any of the EU countries where I speak the language and have connections. So guess I’m stuck here, waiting for the Victory Gin and Cigarettes to be doled out.

tobedtoMNandfart · 19/09/2021 14:54

@vera99

Never works with those limited to "you lost get over it argument". If they had the critical thinking skills to follow a reasoned logic path like that they would have voted remain. Think of them as a friend who fell in love with a bad person you can't reason them out of it.
Seriously? You are suggesting that EVERYONE in possession of critical thinking skills voted Remain?! Where are your critical thinking skills...

Sick and tired of a complex and nuanced issue being reduced to Remainers versus the daft racist aged great unwashed. Give over.

Lonelycrab · 19/09/2021 14:54

The damage caused by Brexit will be studied in the future by the next generations; how could a country do something so stupid when it would clearly lead to a worse quality of life. There were never any benefits and those paying attention understood this. And here we are, with stock shortages of all manner piling up and various industries grinding to a halt.

It was pure populism, simple answers to complex problems. Simple answers for people who don’t want to think too hard.

What is staggering is that it’s supporters don’t seem to care that there are no actual benefits, and a whole heap of downsides. The whole thing has cost us many billions, and all it’s actually achieved is to make us all poorer.

It’s now “oh it won’t be that bad” or “we’re not going to starve”.

The effects will be a death by a thousand cuts, slowly boiling a frog. We’re currently at the it’s-getting-a-bit-warm stage, but given time things will get worse- because there’s no mechanism for things getting better. A trade deal with Aus will do nothing in real terms for our economy.

You reap what you sow. Or in this case we all reap what an actually fairly small proportion of the country sowed, and many of them are now dead. So no op, yanbu.

PersephoneJames · 19/09/2021 14:54

@Mancity100

The vile hate from the remoaners is a joke , you lost not once but twice

Just been morrisons West Yorkshire and shelves full , been to sainsbury's last week shelves full

Infact I work all over and shelves are full

The person who can't get her tonic water and sparking water probably does not see her people like her causing the climate disaster

How fucking dare you try and lecture remain voters on climate change when YOU voted for something which has meant

A) the government is dumping untreated shit into our rivers
B) farmers are destroying thousands of pounds worth of food (why aren’t all the brexiters claiming the picking and driving jobs?
C) we are no longer obliged by EU laws to reduce our plastic waste and are using the Southern Hemisphere as our big plastic bin.

But sure, feel superior for not drinking fizzy water.

How do you expect not to be despised when what you say is so despicable.

cardibach · 19/09/2021 14:56

@Mancity100

The vile hate from the remoaners is a joke , you lost not once but twice

Just been morrisons West Yorkshire and shelves full , been to sainsbury's last week shelves full

Infact I work all over and shelves are full

The person who can't get her tonic water and sparking water probably does not see her people like her causing the climate disaster

The win/lose comments are so silly. It’s politics and life not football. And anyone denying there are shortages at this point is wilfully blind. There’s plenty of information about them.
emuloc · 19/09/2021 14:56

@CaribouCarafe

YANBU - in fact I was so disgusted by the vote that I left the UK shortly after with my European husband.

It's just sad to watch from abroad what is happening to the UK - I feel sorry for everyone who voted remain and I feel sorry for everyone who did not vote Tory. I feel sorry for those who could not vote.

I do not feel sorry for the others though and am quite happy to see them suffer a bit.

Unfortunately there's collateral damage on the people who did not vote for Brexit and for this shitshow of a government.

Also lol at the person upthread who said you can replace your tonic water with tap water - that's going to be a lovely mixer for your gin! Gin Envy

Save your sympathy for people who really need it. I am not sure what you think is happening here.
CaribouCarafe · 19/09/2021 14:58

@mustlovegin

It's just sad to watch from abroad what is happening to the UK

Don't feel sorry for us. We are doing fine

Ok if you say so! But from what I can see Brexit has negatively affected many families (those with European links), has tanked small businesses that relied on trade between the UK and the EU, has contributed towards labour and food shortages and a myriad of other issues.

On top of that, in non-explicitly Brexit related news, apparently a high rate of Covid deaths, rising house prices, job shortages, supply chain interruptions, increased taxes and a whole load of other wankery imposed by the current government is fine.

The biggest worry for me is the issue of Human Rights - I don't trust our government to look out for British people's best interests. At least in the EU we had some level of external oversight and protection.

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