To think the royal family are a bloody embarrassment THREAD 2

[MyOhMySimon]

Carrying on from Thread 1.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4347032-To-think-the-royal-family-are-a-bloody-embarrassment?msgid=110733144#110733144

Haven't seen the OP around, thread 1 is about to run out and someone asked for a new thread.

@HarrisonStickle I think the PP meant will the British public get a chance to vote on abolishing the monarchy in the U.K.

I'm pretty sure Australia will decide to become a republic after the Queen is gone

I'd like to think so, but Australia seems a little bit ... odd on this subject
Many of us remember the Governor General sacking the PM in '75, and the outcry about a republic being needed NOW. Except that, when they finally got their referendum they decided to keep the monarchy

Another thing which isn't factored in is the absolute blizzard of PR spin we'll get when Charles takes over. I don't imagine even he's ignorant of his "popularity scores", and after all the peasants will have to be placated somehow

[quote BeckyWithTheAverageHair]@HarrisonStickle I think the PP meant will the British public get a chance to vote on abolishing the monarchy in the U.K.[/quote]
Ah, right! Not at the moment, perhaps one day. Too many people still want them.

Although as I said in the first thread, Northern Ireland will soon flip to a republican majority, and in Scotland less than half the population currently fully supports them. In Wales, the country's divided with a chunk of it having less than 50% support for the RF.

Who knows what will happen in the next couple of decades. I think it may go the way of religious belief eventually.

@Puzzledandpissedoff The model presented to Australia was flawed - what was proposed was that the PM and politicians would elect a head of state. The people weren't happy with this as, naturally, they wanted a say in who the HoS would be. Can't blame them really.

V interesting Puzzledandpissedoff and Harrisonstickle

Barbados has dropped the Queen with no input from the UK

Not quite; it's true that their GG said last September that they'd do it, and that it would be sorted by this November, but how it's going is anyone's guess (there doesn't seem to be anything current online)

I agree, though, that it can't be long

Also interesting BeckytheAvenger!

The model presented to Australia was flawed - what was proposed was that the PM and politicians would elect a head of state. The people weren't happy with this as, naturally, they wanted a say in who the HoS would be. Can't blame them really

I know, Becky, and I don't blame them for being unhappy about it either

It's just that, given the noise they were making about becoming a republic, I'd have thought they'd accept almost anything except the monarchy
Never mind though - a few years of Charles may well do it

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Barbados has dropped the Queen with no input from the UK

Not quite; it's true that their GG said last September that they'd do it, and that it would be sorted by this November, but how it's going is anyone's guess (there doesn't seem to be anything current online)

I agree, though, that it can't be long

There's this from a couple of weeks ago:

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1483478/queen-news-barbados-republic-head-of-state-dame-sandra-mason-mia-mottley-speech

The Times said something at the start of last week, although I don't know what exactly:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/barbados-ready-to-oust-queen-as-head-of-state-as-it-prepares-to-become-a-republic-3bmssjwlj

@WhatWouldKalindaDo

Tossblanket

It'll end with the passing of the Queen

God I hope so!

The utter farce of Prince Andrew dodging being served with legal papers is just making people very angry, and proving that the Royal Family are above the law.

I'm embarrassed to be represented by this awful family.

I agree. It's the final nail in the coffin for me too.

Do people really think we're the envy of the world? Like the Op said, we're an embarrassment.

@ponyexpress22

Do people really think we're the envy of the world? Like the Op said, we're an embarrassment.

I think we were pretty well respected. That's the impression I've always got when listening to other world leaders, politicians from other countries, visiting other countries, talking to all sorts of people from around the globe.

Now much of the world thinks we've lost our collective mind, not realising that underneath the veneer we were always a bit dodgy. Recent happenings have been much harder to PR our way out of.

@HarrisonStickle

Oh, and btw, another thread about ducks has reminded me that the Queen owns pretty much all the unmarked swans.

I mean, WTF!

There is also, believe it or not, an official role connected with this: Queen's Swan Keeper.

Thank goodness for that. The last thing we need is more beaks to feed.

Now much of the world thinks we've lost our collective mind, not realising that underneath the veneer we were always a bit dodgy. Recent happenings have been much harder to PR our way out of.
Yes it's always been so but we were experts at painting a lovely image for the world to see. It seems now we can't hold onto that veil that's slowly but surely slipping away.

I don't think we were ever the envy of the world. More like a morbid fascination. Good to watch from a distance but thankful they never had to put up with it

I don't think the Queen is an embarrassment, neither were her parents or paternal grandparents.

Nearly every family has embarrassing relatives and the royals are no different.

There have always been scandals too but the good ones shine through.

I have to say I hate the way the media turn against people with high profiles, you can't believe anything you read.

Of course the royals are different. We fund them. And saying the Queens relatives weren't embarrassing, is frankly embarrassing!!! It must be great to live with blinkers on.

"Nearly every family has embarrassing relatives and the royals are no different".

I'd guess that most families with nonce uncles wouldn't invite them to stay at their taxpayer-funded castles and encourage them to evade legal process.

Abusing a 17yo not quite "bad" enough? Would he have to be gang raping 14 year olds (like his mates on that island) for the monarchists to stop minimising?

What's your acceptable level of depravity for an RF, just so we know?

@HarrisonStickle

it comes to something when the only people sticking up for the family farm are Prince Charles and Jeremy Clarkson

Indeed it is, and I think it's because the UK is one of the most corrupt States in the world. However, we are the experts at PR (this thread highlights that) and fooling the world into thinking we are a beacon of democracy. The wheels of that particular bus have only started to come off because Brexit is shining an unwelcome torch into the true machinations of power and corruption in the UK.

It really isn't though. When you are in a echo chamber you only hear the voices you want to hear.

Ive seen many TV presenters give their support to the Queen, their twitter accounts are healthy.

The the queen has a lot of public support. It may wane when Charles takes over but W&K are popular.

And no, the UK isn't the one the corrupt places in the world, are really comparing us to Sudan, Somalia, Syria, North Korea because that's what corruption looks like.

And honestly the only people I hear talking about Brexit is on here no I know in RL talks about it as they are just getting on with shit and are busy recovering their business after covid..

@Plumtree391

I don't think the Queen is an embarrassment, neither were her parents or paternal grandparents.

Nearly every family has embarrassing relatives and the royals are no different.

There have always been scandals too but the good ones shine through.

I have to say I hate the way the media turn against people with high profiles, you can't believe anything you read.

The queen mother was an embarrassment, well she should have been, perhaps it all passed over the queen's head. But she was openly racist and so extravagant with taxpayers money she died owing millions, the queen had to settle her debts....despite getting a very generous allowance. That sense of entitlement seems to get handed down

Ah, thanks, HarrisonStickle - if the Express have got it right it seems things may be moving ahaed in Barbados
Very sensible of them if so

The Monarch can't decide the laws

But she'll have a damn good bleat about those that affect her own interests and often succeed in getting them changed.

Latest example is getting the tax bill on shooting (a whole other royal topic) at Balmoral reduced to below the rates paid by local pubs and restaurants.

But she'll have a damn good bleat about those that affect her own interests

Just like the majority of the population.

I'm killing time until 9pm by watching some Secrets of the Royals doc on ITV3. Spoiler alert: there's no secrets I didn't already know about but my god the royal "experts" are sycophants!

The queen mother was an embarrassment, well she should have been, perhaps it all passed over the queen's head. But she was openly racist and so extravagant with taxpayers money she died owing millions, the queen had to settle her debts....despite getting a very generous allowance. That sense of entitlement seems to get handed down

On the plus side the fact a monarch to monarch (or consort of monarch) bequest is free of inheritance tax means the sting wasn't quite as severe as it might have been.

Perhaps Philip took lessons from the ghastly old lush...