To think the royal family are a bloody embarrassment THREAD 2

[MyOhMySimon]

Carrying on from Thread 1.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4347032-To-think-the-royal-family-are-a-bloody-embarrassment?msgid=110733144#110733144

Haven't seen the OP around, thread 1 is about to run out and someone asked for a new thread.

But to say Nicola Sturgeon rules Scotland and rules it as the leader of a despotic state is absolutely ludicrous. How can anyone discuss the monarchy with you when you A. Come out with stuff like this and B. Try to derail the thread with it

Correct. Idiotic derailment.

Monarchy - unelected positions based on birth not merit
First Minister of Scotland - elected by the majority of the people of Scotland

@Blossomtoes

But she'll have a damn good bleat about those that affect her own interests

Just like the majority of the population.

But the majority of the population can't exert influence to get the law changed in their favour!

Just like the majority of the population

Who fail to get them changed.

Snap @CathyorClaire!

But the majority of the population can't exert influence to get the law changed in their favour!

Head. Brickwall. @BeckyWithTheAverageHair

@BeckyWithTheAverageHair

Snap *@CathyorClaire*!

High five

Just like the majority of the population.

The majority of the population struggle, unlike the multi millionaire queen.

I've not read the whole thread I just wanted to say I find what's happening with Prince Andrew absolutely gut churning. What has he got done to hide, who is funding his lawyers. Why are police outside his house fending off people trying to serve papers.
It's sordid, squalid, arrogant and detestable behaviour.

@Blossomtoes

But she'll have a damn good bleat about those that affect her own interests

Just like the majority of the population.

The majority of the population can't get exemptions from laws that would adversely affect them.

@Blossomtoes

First Minister of Scotland - elected by the majority of the people of Scotland

As unlikely as Johnson being elected by the majority of people in the four nations.

I know you all think you’re very clever but I quite deliberately only quoted the bleating bit. Those responses were hilariously predictable.

I think the SNP gained around 47% of the vote in May and the Conservatives in the last GE 43%. Not a majority in either case as you say.

Of course the responses to your selective quote were predictable, however goading other PPs is hardly an adult level of interaction.

And no, the UK isn't the one the corrupt places in the world, are really comparing us to Sudan, Somalia, Syria, North Korea because that's what corruption looks like.

No you're right, that was a bit hyperbolic on my part. We're more corrupt than previously imagined, though. And I think that there's more to come.

Ironic, that even if Andrew was shown to be innocent of the charges, or at least, there was insufficient evidence to prove the case against him, the way he has conducted himself, aided and abetted by the Queen and the Courtiers, will already have done the damage. The cost involved is astronomical and the lesson it is teaching others about cooperating with the courts will never be forgotten.

The royals are destroying themselves from within - the Queen with her tax evasion until forced to pay up, the audacity of her expecting us to pay for Windsor Castle repairs, her protection of Andrew, Philip's blatant racism, William and Kate's feckless inability to hold down a job and the philandering of Charles and the sheer nonsense of his 'apprenticeship' that has lasted more than most citizens lifetime. (and the fact his son William is serving the same apprenticeship!). Absolute disgrace.

Hyperbole much, StoneofDestiny.

I agree with what StoneofDestiny is saying about Andrew.

That even if he is proved to be innocent of the specific charges this is more than a PR disaster. I know a lot of people were drawn in to Epstein's web as that is the way he operated, but if Andrew had been using his privilege to good charitable purpose in the first place, rather than some trumped up trade ambassadorial role (which it looks like he exploited for personal gain) and for which he was entirely unqualified and unsuited, he wouldn't have been corruptible in the first place. Seriously who gave him the job which allowed him to run with his deluded sense of self importance?

The lavishness of his business trips were criticised prompting complaints by two MPs. He was renowned for tagging an all expenses paid golf trip on to the end of a business trip apparently. And even worse Prince Andrew was strongly criticised for undermining the diplomatic work of the British government in the area of human rights by his association with corrupt leaders. So much so that he was the subject of a leaked letter written by retired diplomat Stephen Day, a former ambassador to Qatar and Tunisia saying:

"It takes a lot to bring former British ambassadors to criticise a member of the royal family in public, but it is surely now recognised that the Duke's activities are doing such serious damage to the royal family itself and to Britain's political, diplomatic and commercial interests that an entirely new role should be found for him as soon as possible."

It all speaks of a huge lack of intelligence and judgement, from Prince Andrew himself, and from whoever it was in the Palace who appointed him in the first place.

And I am sorry but it goes to the heart of the problem with monarchy. It allowed someone (judging by his interview with Emily Maitliss), who was not overly intelligent, with a huge sense of entitlement and false superiority, to be promoted to a role which would never be within his grasp had he been a commoner. And according to members of my family who formally served, the same can be said for the royal family within the forces as well, ie their position allows them to promoted beyond their natural capabilities.

They seem totally blind to thr need to modernise.

Prince Charles came here on a visit last year. They were worried about not having enough crowds to greet him so bussed out all the local schools, including my kids. Gave them flags to wave etc.

DS and DD were like, who is this? And why am I waving a flag? Glad for an afternoon out of school though.

The younger generations really don’t care.

@Walkingwounded

They seem totally blind to thr need to modernise.

Prince Charles came here on a visit last year. They were worried about not having enough crowds to greet him so bussed out all the local schools, including my kids. Gave them flags to wave etc.

DS and DD were like, who is this? And why am I waving a flag? Glad for an afternoon out of school though.

The younger generations really don’t care.

Head teachers don't just provide children for shindigs at the drop of a hat.

excuse typo - formerly served

Derxa - mine did.

Head teachers don't just provide children for shindigs at the drop of a hat.

I’m afraid they do. It’s quite a common occurrence, all those union flags make great pictures.

the same can be said for the royal family within the forces as well, ie their position allows them to promoted beyond their natural capabilities

To be fair, they’ve all actively served at pretty junior ranks. William and Harry both left the armed forces at ranks to which promotion is pretty much automatic. The ceremonial ranks are different.

@Walkingwounded

Derxa - mine did.

Did you give permission for your child to attend? Sign the permission slip? The faff in organising any trip is horrendous. I know because I was a primary school teacher for x number of years.

The faff in organising any trip is horrendous

Not if the school is a five minute walk from the building being opened. In the instance I saw, I imagine the parents were falling over themselves to volunteer to help out. The pupil/adult ratio was very high.

plumtree - oh dear, is that your best critique? Nothing I said is exaggerated, all on the public record.

Likewise what walkingwounded said. Kids are pulled out to flag wave to ensure there is sufficient numbers in a crowd, and specifically 'safe' audience members.

Seventhascent is absolutely right about the royals getting free passes to 'good' universities and to promotion in the armed forces. Wouldn't do for Charles to have gone to Leeds Met or Sheffield Hallam, or for Andrew or Harry to have remained 'in the ranks'. They are stuffed full of honorary roles anyway with their chests puffed up with medals they never earned.

Andrew or Harry to have remained 'in the ranks'

They were never in the ranks to start with. Very few officers come up through the ranks.

The faff in organising any trip is horrendous. I know because I was a primary school teacher for x number of years

Then you will know that a pre prepared Risk Assessment is made available and local schools are chosen with hand picked children unlikely to be shouting for a Republic. Security is no problem.