To think the royal family are a bloody embarrassment THREAD 2

[MyOhMySimon]

Carrying on from Thread 1.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4347032-To-think-the-royal-family-are-a-bloody-embarrassment?msgid=110733144#110733144

Haven't seen the OP around, thread 1 is about to run out and someone asked for a new thread.

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Why?

What, so we can never talk about redistribution of money again because of that? How strange and anti progressive

Where did I say that? It was a tongue in cheek comment🤦‍♀️

Ok cool

@TheKeatingFive

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Why?

Republicanism in this country seems to me to be a priority for comfortable middle class folk. Your main cheer leader is Alastair Campbell.

There's too much whataboutery on this thread, we should concentrate on the matter in hand...the RF

However your argument was ‘it’s only x, so why bother’

It wasn’t “Why bother?” at all but it’s pretty disingenuous to pretend that the sovereign grant being spent elsewhere would even be noticed.

I see you’ve managed to put words in other people’s mouths twice in ten minutes. It’s very tiresome.

@Roussette

There's too much whataboutery on this thread, we should concentrate on the matter in hand...the RF

It’s not whataboutery @Roussette. The monarchy doesn’t exist in a vacuum. You can’t have a sensible discussion about it without context.

Republicanism in this country seems to me to be a priority for comfortable middle class folk.

I’m not comfortable about a society where the very poorest donate even a small amount of their meagre income to ensure one of the richest families in the land have even more palaces, even more money, even more jewels, artworks and antiques, etc, etc.

So shoot me.

It wasn’t “Why bother?” at all

Well why did you make the point at all, if not ‘why bother’? What was the reason for bringing it up?

Are you trying to argue that 100 million (just using that as a ballpark) is not a significant amount?

@TheKeatingFive

Yes, and manage to hide their ENORMOUS wealth very successfully

I actually think they do exist in somewhat of a vacuum which is why this thread is popular

What was the reason for bringing it up?

You need to either get your short term memory checked out or read the posts properly. It’s perfectly obvious why I brought it up.

You said All those £1.29s would go a long way if put towards the nhs, homeless accommodation, social care, etc, etc.

I pointed out that they wouldn’t go a long way at all because they added up to a month’s running costs of a large hospital. Which, in government spending terms, is fuck all, change down the back of the sofa.

Is that clear enough for you?

Republicanism in this country seems to me to be a priority for comfortable middle class folk. Your main cheer leader is Alastair Campbell.

You never actually engage with the discussion proper, just throw out random comments. Yesterday you suggested I didn't come from a humble background, as if that had a bearing on whether or not the monarchy should be abolished.

I'm happy for the monarch to stay. This country need stability and recovery. We dont need to dismantle the frame work of our country at this moment in time.

It does make me wonder who is continually starting these threads and what they would gain for creating the instability they want to rouse.

Regardless what some posters on MN think, the republic movement is very small. The RF are not going anywhere anytime soon. It seems to be a very untrendy view but a lot of people are actually proud of being British and the Queen comes with that- despite what the media would have you believe.

Charles really does have his work cut out.

I pointed out that they wouldn’t go a long way at all because they added up to a month’s running costs of a large hospital.

So worth diverting to the more worthy cause? Or not?

Despite being a pilfering sum.

It'll take decades to dismantle. This has been a very interesting thread and I certainly don't see it as intending to create instability.
Saying that just means you are trying to shut down opinion and discussion.

I think the true cost of the RF is more than whatever we're told it is.

But it's also true that in our current system the cost would end up being absorbed rather than redistributed to the NHS or wherever.

The entire system requires a complete overhaul, and unless something drastic happens nothing is going to change anytime soon because those controlling the PR and media don't want it to.

@Roussette

It'll take decades to dismantle. This has been a very interesting thread and I certainly don't see it as intending to create instability. Saying that just means you are trying to shut down opinion and discussion.

That's exactly what they've been trying to do since the beginning. That and throwing random accusations that's going into conspiracy theory territory.

Latest:

'Someone hates this country and wants to create instability in the UK and for the Queen, so comes to mumsnet to 'start these threads' in order to rowse interests and followers.'

Paranoia.

It does make me wonder who is continually starting these threads and what they would gain for creating the instability they want to rouse

People who enjoy discussing and debating? It is possible to enjoy talking about certain subjects just for the debate and interest in how others come to their opinions. I doubt anyone realistically thinks we're on course for abolition any time in the near future.

It does make me wonder who is continually starting these threads

The OPs?

But it's also true that in our current system the cost would end up being absorbed rather than redistributed to the NHS or wherever.

Thank you @HarrisonStickle, it wasn’t that difficult, was it?

It's pathetic to say that we're creating instability. How ridiculous is that statement. Like we have any power to do anything.

However, opinion matters. And I'll carry on expressing mine.

@HarrisonStickle

Republicanism in this country seems to me to be a priority for comfortable middle class folk. Your main cheer leader is Alastair Campbell.

You never actually engage with the discussion proper, just throw out random comments. Yesterday you suggested I didn't come from a humble background, as if that had a bearing on whether or not the monarchy should be abolished.

I can write about courgettes if you like. Middle-class republicans' weapons of choice for fighting Royalism are classism, ableism, misogyny, and snobbery.

It does make me wonder who is continually starting these threads and what they would gain for creating the instability they want to rouse.

Oh come on, there may be a few paid republicans on here, just like there were Brexit agitators, but the majority of us are interested about what will happen when the Queen's reign ends. That is surely a legitimate and interesting question? After the longest reign in history? And there are so many threads about it now because (a) it is likely to happen in less than a decade and (b) it has coincided with Prince Andrew's alleged dubious antics being exposed. It's not some republican plot! Mumsnet usually reflects what people are talking about in RL, not the other way around! What is interesting is that so many posters seem to think it is almost sacrilegious to discuss this issue at all. And yet the Monarchy are ultimately wholly dependent on public opinion and support.

Yes, I agree, @Hortibunda. The royal family needs us all to go along with the ridiculous fiction of the monarchy being inseparable from state, church and people's sense of patriotism.

Spoiler: it isn't.