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Would you support an elderly parent with their health/care needs if you felt they had neglected you as a child.

104 replies

wobblywinelover · 15/09/2021 01:19

Do we rise above it and be 'good people' and help our elderly parents who are vulnerable because they are our parents, or do we remember the shit they gave us growing up when we were vulnerable and some of the difficulties which arise in adulthood thereof (some of which have majorly impacted your life...) This is assuming you're still in contact with them and have been able to maintain a relationship with them

YABU - yes support them whatever
YANBU- no, they've made your life difficult so why should you help them now

OP posts:
PurpleDaisies · 15/09/2021 09:13

@SadWife2020

Cross post *@PurpleDaisies*!!
Great minds think alike! It was a really good piece. I’m not in that situation but it really stayed with me. Sorry you’re having to go through this op. Whatever you decide doesn’t make you a good or bad person.
IncessantNameChanger · 15/09/2021 09:13

I help out my mum.who abused me as a child. But would never stretch to caring for her or living together. So we fix things in her house or go down when shes had a fall etc.

She is my abuser. She still abuses me so no why would I go go back to being her victim. Sorry no thanks.

My mil I'm sure was a good mum to dh but she emigrated as soon as we had kids so now shes thinking about what happens in her dotage and mentioned come back to the UK I wont be involved looking after her at all.

You cant be emotionally and physically absent for decades and expect much in your dotage.

nc4565 · 15/09/2021 09:15

I'd do the basics to make them feel comfortable and know they're loved on some level. But bending over backwards for them? Nope.

Babdoc · 15/09/2021 09:16

Your parents reap what they sow. If they neglected and abused their children, they can expect no help when they become elderly. Indeed, it is usually in the adult child’s best mental health interest to stay well away.
I did not even attend my parents’ funerals. My sister and I felt only relief that they were gone.
Even God does not forgive abusers or sinners unless they first genuinely repent.
Most abusive parents do not repent or ask forgiveness. They just expect their victim to carry on meeting their demands and needs at the expense of their own wellbeing.
You are under no obligation, OP. You did not ask to be born, or ill treated.

Houseofvelour · 15/09/2021 09:17

I'd support them but not for them. I'd do it for me to ensure I'm not stuck with any feelings of guilt for the rest of my life.

Bimblybomeyelash · 15/09/2021 09:18

Somewhere in between I suppose. In that situation I would offer what I could without having to make any sacrifices myself. So if I had time to do a weekly shop I would do that. But I wouldn’t cancel other plans, leave work early etc

Ontheroadtorecovery · 15/09/2021 09:22

What do you want to do? You may feel morally obligated but you aren't. You could refer to adult social care with your concerns or GP with medical concerns. Lots of people aren't able to support for a variety of reasons. Do what is right for you and no one else.

Doubledoorsontogarden · 15/09/2021 09:23

It’s so personal, there isn’t a right or wrong answer. My parents were so young when they had us I think that they didn’t have a clue in certain things, other stuff is shockingly neglectful.

Babamamananarama · 15/09/2021 09:27

Caring for someone can come at a large cost to oneself. Even if you absolutely adore and respect someone, it will change the quality of your relationship and it can be hard to keep feelings of resentment/self pity at bay when you are repeatedly being asked to place another person's needs above your own.

In an ideal world, people who are being cared for will feel that the people caring for them are doing so out of love, not duty. But that's sometimes very hard to maintain.

In a relationship where there is already a breach of trust and resentment attached, such as yours OP, I'd ask yourself: are you the right person to care for them? Do you have the resources to do so with the necessary love and kindness, or would the relationship always have a toxic element of resentment (which isn't your fault!). If you aren't in a position to care whole-heartedly for someone, because they've hurt you in the past, then in my opinion it may be the kinder and more sensible thing to set a boundary and look for another solution to their needs.

Ellarain · 15/09/2021 09:35

I could be facing this situation. DM was very neglectful towards me from the age of 11 until now (I'm 40). I would find it extremely difficult to drop everything and help her in her old age. As spiteful as it sounds for me it's some sort of payback for the way she treated me. DM is in excellent health and is only 19 years older than me so hopefully I won't have to make the decision. I believe my two younger siblings who got much more from her should look after her if I'm being completely honest.

WildfirePonie · 15/09/2021 09:55

Nope. My parents can ask my golden boy brother to assist with any needs. I won't be lifting a damn finger.

JaceLancs · 15/09/2021 10:22

I don’t have a great relationship with DM but now she is 80+ with Alzheimer’s I make sure she has what she needs
I do her shopping, arrange cleaning, gardening etc - sorted care package when she had a hip replacement and deal with her finances but I only do what needs to be done and don’t put myself out as she never put me first before her self for the past 75+ years!

LuaDipa · 15/09/2021 12:00

This is such a personal thing.

I think when it comes down to it it’s a choice between whether you will feel better or worse for helping (no judgement either way). If you can see yourself helping in some small way and this possibly assuaging any guilt (not that there should be any) then go ahead. But only if you feel that helping will benefit your mental state and not be even more damaging. If helping is going to affect your own life and your own mental health or a parent will continue to abuse you in spite of your support then you are absolutely justified in walking away.

I don’t really believe in helping out of guilt. I will do anything for my dm in her old age because she was always there for us. I watched her support her own parents out of a sense of duty and while I know she has no regrets, I think there is a sense of bitterness that she did more for them than they ever did for her.

Family or not, some people just aren’t very nice.

RoyalMush · 15/09/2021 12:04

I know so many people struggling with this and the answer will be different for everyone but you need to find what’s comfortable for you. That may change over time as the relationship changes and their needs inevitably change. As might your own capacity to meet their needs. Lots of wise posts on here.

Balonzette · 15/09/2021 12:11

This depends on so many factors, the main ones (in my opinion) being religion and culture. I have real issues with my upbringing and my mother, however, due to my religious beliefs, and therefore morals, I would do my absolute best to care for her if she were unwell.

In certain cultures, children would never question whether they should care for an elderly parent. It would be a given, regardless of the parent's behaviour towards them.

But some people would not have religious or cultural obligations and so would make the decision based purely on their own feelings.

Balonzette · 15/09/2021 12:12

(should add, I'm not criticising those who make the decision based on feelings. Just saying that you can't really take other people's opinions into account when making up your mind about something like this because there are so many issues at play.

SallySynonym · 15/09/2021 13:10

I’m in this situation right now. In fact I wrote about it on another thread this week. It’s extremely difficult. My parents were not horribly abusive in the way that some were. I’ve read accounts on MN which make me feel incredibly lucky for the childhood I had and selfish for feeling the way I do, but nor were they loving and kind towards me. It was quite clear that they did not want to be parents – and in recent years they have spoken openly about this to me. Mum was desperate for a baby but hated the reality. Dad never wanted to indulge this anyway but went along on the understanding that me would have nothing to do with “it” (me). He had two dc from a previous marriage and felt that he was done. He is much closer to them and refers to them (in front of me) as his “true family”. I actually have a great relationship with my two siblings but they leave all the care to me as my mum is not their mum (their mum is dead).

My dad has demonstrated two emotions to me, my entire life – indifference and anger. Basically not taking an interest in me at all, until I did something he didn’t like and then he would explode. He has twice been physically abusive (I was an older teen both times), most of the rest of it is verbal/emotional and continues to this day. Mum also didn’t seem to take much interest and she defended him against some truly despicable actions. I never thought I would forgive her for this but in recent years I’ve come to realise that while defending some actions, she was also shielding me from other ugly truths about my father. I had a period of going nc with both of them but eventually relented and let them back in my life and I think that shocked my mum into trying a bit harder and I now have a relationship of sorts with her.

Unfortunately they are still together. I feel I’d gladly go nc with my dad forever but it’s difficult when I want a relationship with mum. He’s also turned his verbal attacks on her in recent years and I want to protect her. Right now they are living with me. Dad has had an op and mum begged me to let them move in so I could help with his care while he recovers. He’s also terminally ill. I’ve been offering care and assistance for almost two years and it has been incredibly hard but right now, with them in my house, it is more intense than ever. I am trying to rise above everything and care for him but he is still as challenging as ever and I’m utterly exhausted, physically and mentally. Others upthread have mentioned people having nervous breakdowns and/or PTSD after caring for elderly parents and I can see this happening to me.

Sololsland I’m genuinely sorry to hear of your situation and hope you are able to make peace with yourself. Remember that it takes two to tango and although what happened to your mother was tragic, she also had every opportunity to extend the olive branch to you. Do not place all the guilt on yourself. A few years ago, I had a similar situation. My dad was in an accident and as soon as I heard, I fell apart in grief, guilt and panic. I too rushed to be there and my dad made a recovery. But things didn’t change at all after that. If anything, they are now worse. Obviously your situation might have turned out differently – we are all different and our experiences and opportunities are unique to us.

I had been quite open at work about my bad relationship with my dad and the fact I was attending counselling to deal with issues in the past. When he had the accident, my boss could not understand my turnaround. She said that I was milking the situation and didn’t need any time off to see him (parents are 100s of miles from me), nor to deal with the situation as I had previously made it obvious that I didn’t care. I was also turned down for a promotion around that time and the reasons were that I was unreliable and potentially dishonest (citing the way I spoke about my father pre- and post accident) and that I clearly had unresolved issues whereas they wanted a clear-headed thinker. I moved from that job asap afterwards and made a point of not airing my personal issues in my new/current post at all. Then when dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer, I fell apart again. It hit me really hard and my employers were great at being understanding. It’s a double-edged sword though. I’m massively struggling at work right now – I’m in a senior management position with loads of responsibility and it’s a particularly busy and crucial time of year but because I have DPs living with me, and they are incredibly demanding, as well as just feeling utterly run down and shitty with the constant negativity, abuse and arguments from and with my dad, I’m not functioning at work and I can’t really explain to anyone why not.

It's a weird situation to be in. I often think that I’ll be relieved when he dies and all of this will be over, but whenever he comes close (we’ve had two points in the past 18 months when we’ve been summoned to the hospital but he has rallied), I’ve utterly overwhelmed with emotion. Spending any time together (and there is a lot of it at the moment) just reminds me of what a horrible person he is and of some terrible moments in my childhood so the more time we spend together, the more I spent with dark thoughts and then I resent caring for him, but also can’t leave my mum to deal with it alone. On the other hand, neither of them offered me any kind of support growing up. I had to constantly fend for myself and it does stick in my throat that they want so much from me now. I also had to care for my grandparents over a 10+ year period because my mother didn't want to do it - they moved far away and left this to me. I feel that I've been caring for others all my adult life and just want some kind of life for myself now. Yet I still feel utterly selfish even writing this down.

wobblywinelover · 15/09/2021 13:11

Thanks for all the replies and thoughts, some wise stuff on here. In answer to a PP's question I won't be giving more context or going into details, as i'm not comfortable doing so right now, so I guess it's a topic up for general discussion - I perhaps shouldn't have put it in the AIBU section. Very helpful though

OP posts:
India92 · 15/09/2021 13:24

Really interesting replies! I always find myself thinking about this as an only child.

I would go to the end of the earth to support my mum in old age, however the same can't be said for my dad due to his selfishness and neglect growing up.

He's realised his ways and has tried to worm his way back into my life, saying 'im all he has' Hmm well tough shit! Should have been a better parent, human and husband and not alienated absolutely EVERYONE else in his life.

I doubt I will feel guilty as he only has himself to blame. I am not his retirement and care plan.

BreadPita · 15/09/2021 13:36

I think it's a parent's job to raise you in a way that engenders a sense of filial piety. If you don't feel that way, it's on them.
For example, my father wasn't a big part of my life (I've seen most of my uncles more often than him) so I'd feel no responsibility towards him.
My mother could not be described as "good" but I have to have some respect for the fact that she provided food and a home with no cost to me for the first 18 years of my life but I'd probably be morally comfortable if this was in the form of a lump sum, rather than extensive acts of service.

maggiecate · 15/09/2021 13:46

Becoming a carer for a parent is a huge shift in the relationship and adds an enormous amount of stress, so no matter how good or bad the relationship you need to keep healthy boundaries in place and know when to say “I can’t do it.” The best relationships could break down; a poor relationship could find new understanding. It’s something that is absolutely unique to each situation. Personally I see nothing wrong with saying “I can’t/I won’t.” It’s a lot to take on.

marioduck · 15/09/2021 13:52

My definition of being a good person does not involve allowing oneself to be exploited and degraded.

Men are not raised to believe he needs to provide unpaid personal caring in order to be considered a "good person".

I would not become the unpaid carer for someone who abused me in the street. Why would I become the unpaid carer for someone who abused me whilst in a position of trust and authority with a duty to safeguard me?

Paid care would be refused to someone abusive.

Aside from your view of yourself, by saying you have to be an unpaid carer for your own abuser in order to be a "good person" you are condemning every single abuse survivor who has had the strength to free themselves from the cycle of abuse you're still trapped in. That's neither right nor fair and should highlight to you the flaw in how you are viewing this.

You make your own decisions. Being a good person has nothing to do with this either way.

SimplySteveRedux · 15/09/2021 13:56

Great post @SallySynonym I wish I had your eloquence and prose. I hope you can find a solution.

SimplySteveRedux · 15/09/2021 14:00

It's worth reading The Body Keeps The Score by Bessel van der Kolk.

Thank you for making this thread.

marioduck · 15/09/2021 14:05

In certain cultures, children would never question whether they should care for an elderly parent. It would be a given, regardless of the parent's behaviour towards them.

Also worth keeping in mind the prevalence of domestic abuse and absence of escape routes in many of the situations to which you refer. There's no choice involved.

I don't think comparisons with circumstances in which there is no escape from abuse except suicide or that have been prosecuted under modern slavery laws when they have occurred in this country are useful or safe comparisons.