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To think I might be getting scammed - again!

119 replies

Judithand · 11/09/2021 13:17

We are doing a huge house renovation and adaption this summer. Our builder recommended a kitchen fitter who came out and gave a quote. The reason I booked him is because he said he would be available.

He asked for 50% deposit in cash and I foolishly paid him.
He kept pushing back the job and eventually just stopped replying. The builder knows his family, and found out he has a drug addiction and has gone missing.

So deposit gone.
I put on social media to find another kitchen fitter for this weekend as we are only waiting for this work before moving home.
As the works were all funded by fundraising and go fund me as my son is disabled it got a lot of traction on social media. I didn’t name the thief but lots of people messaged me knowing who he was and the company he had worked for (family business)

The brother of the scammer contacted the builder, said it looked bad on his business that I was sharing it online. He would come this weekend with his family and fit the kitchen and wardrobes for us.

However it is not the design, spec or colour that we wanted - only what was in stock.

This morning I met the guys at the house and he asked me for 5 grand for the materials and to pay the guys that came to work today.
I didn’t respond just stared at him blankly.

We paid more than 5 grand in deposit. If the materials and labour cost that much then should be not take it up with his brother? Who is not missing at all but in the parents home.
By doing this work and sharing on social media it looks like they’ve done the job for free

So
AIBU - yes just pay for what you got today and deal with scammer later
No - brother should be taking some money from the thief as he knows where he is.

OP posts:
Maflingo · 11/09/2021 13:22

Do not pay them!

Iwantamarshmallowman · 11/09/2021 13:23

Don't pay them. Get another kitchen fitter and take the original to court.

stonebrambleboy · 11/09/2021 13:25

No no no! Do not give these people any more money.

Chloemol · 11/09/2021 13:26

Do not pay them.

Tell them to go. Find a reputable kitchen fitter, ok you may have to wait, and I would call the police on the other, it’s theft

DancingBabyGoat · 11/09/2021 13:26

That’s bloody awful. No way would I give the family any more money! And definitely not cash! Pay everyone via bank transfer/ card payment when you have signed a contract for the works or once they have completed the job and invoiced you.

Have they done any work today? Have you paid him?

JudgeRindersMinder · 11/09/2021 13:27

Don’t pay!!!
Get a fitter by personal recommendations only-someone you know having used them and been very happy with their work

pumpkinpie01 · 11/09/2021 13:28

Omg sounds like something out of a soap opera , I wouldn't believe a word his brother said . Send him on his way

BoomChicka · 11/09/2021 13:29

AIBU to let one family openly rob me, twice.. erm yes.

icelolly12 · 11/09/2021 13:31

This was funded by go fund me? You need to be more careful with other peoples money. I'd be fuming if I contributed and it had 'gone missing' and think you were the scammer tbh

PinkiOcelot · 11/09/2021 13:31

Don’t give them any money. Don’t just go with a kitchen you didn’t choose either. You’ll never be happy with it.
I would get the police on the other thief as well.

Judithand · 11/09/2021 13:32

I haven’t paid any money today - he told me that it was stock they had in the warehouse and the family would come today ‘to save the day’ that’s what is on the Instagram page

Money was only asked for this morning. They are there working now.

I wouldn’t want anyone out of pocket and would pay for what we got BUT it just feels so wrong. He stole from a GoFundMe but isn’t going to pay the consequences

OP posts:
Carboncheque · 11/09/2021 13:33

Seriously?

Judithand · 11/09/2021 13:33

@icelolly12 I’m not a scammer and have posted every step of the build - we also got a loan, savings and a grant so not completely GoFundMe for the build but anything cash related like this was from that account

OP posts:
FreeBritnee · 11/09/2021 13:33

God no. I hope you didn’t give them a penny.

Burnamer · 11/09/2021 13:36

OP is this a weird way of getting us to pitch in?

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 11/09/2021 13:37

You should put on sm that they asked you for money. It's facts. That you can prove. They don't get to play the hero.

drpet49 · 11/09/2021 13:38

** The brother of the scammer contacted the builder, said it looked bad on his business that I was sharing it online. He would come this weekend with his family and fit the kitchen and wardrobes for us.

However it is not the design, spec or colour that we wanted - only what was in stock.**

^You sound so blasé about this whole thing. Maybe because it isn’t your money but I don’t understand why you are so passive

TheQueef · 11/09/2021 13:39

If he is expecting to clear his name and get paid, again! You need to stop the works.

Lucyccfc68 · 11/09/2021 13:41

His thieving brother can cough up the £5k to pay for it out of the money he stole from you.

Seriously, tell this family to piss off out of your house and don’t give them a penny more.

CorrBlimeyGG · 11/09/2021 13:47

Why have you let them do the work if you know they expect to be paid? You've massively messed up here.

AlCalavicci · 11/09/2021 13:50

Meant in the kindest possible way @Judithand you must have GULLABLE stamped on your forehead.
The guy that scammed you is a git and his family should be bending over backwards to sort the issues out for you .

I would not let the company / family back into my house until they promised to put everything right without it costing you any extra . and I would want that in writing

ButterflyAway · 11/09/2021 13:52

I don’t understand, why would you accept them putting in something that you don’t want, and why didn’t you call the police when the brother went missing with so much money (and how did you have more than £5K cash available, since you say you paid him more than £5k deposit in cash).

MaryHadALittleRam · 11/09/2021 13:58

Why on earth did you agree to have them back and install something that you didn't choose that was from their old stock?????
Hmm

AlCalavicci · 11/09/2021 14:03

@MaryHadALittleRam

Why on earth did you agree to have them back and install something that you didn't choose that was from their old stock????? Hmm
This , I think they are not only scamming gits ( as I said above ) but they are also off loading old stock that they probably cant sell and charging you for the privilege.
chesirecat99 · 11/09/2021 14:04

Who did you buy the kitchen/wardrobes from? The scammer or the family business? Was the scammer doing the work as an independent contractor or as an employee/owner/representative of the family business?

If the scammer was doing it independently of the family business, legally, if not morally, it's nothing to do with them. Do you have a contract or any paperwork?

I you paid a 50% deposit of £5k in cash, surely that means the total cost was £10k, so you do owe a further £5k? I'm assuming the kitchen and wardrobes supplied were of equal value. I would be expecting a discount for the inconvenience, stress and not getting what you ordered though.

If not, and the total work done today is only worth £5k, it depends who had the contract (even if it was just verbal) with you - the business or the scammer. If it was the business, don't pay a penny. If it was the scammer, I would probably suggest to the brother that either they recover the money from the scammer to pay their bill or you will have to involve the police (realistically, they will probably tell you it is a civil matter though).

I'm just being pragmatic. I'm really sorry this has happened. I hope you have a wonderful time in your new home.

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