To ask how people will cope with Universal credit cut.

[ponyexpress22]

Surely they aren't going ahead with cutting it by £20 a week? I'm shocked that the government could stoop this low. What the hell are they doing.

I suppose I could sell my son, I am sure its only a matter of time before workhouses come back into force. He is a good strong lad.

Fatten him up and eat him instead? Although then you'll have people pointing out that you can't be that skint if you're having organic, hand-reared meat

I hope it’s stopped, no one has given me £20 a week more.

I don't understand this sentiment. How does someone else having a small gain do you harm? How does their loss benefit you?

Fatten him up and eat him instead? Although then you'll have people pointing out that you can't be that skint if you're having organic, hand-reared meat wink

No, I have checked with him, he would much prefer to go out and work, then be eaten. Besides he is a tall 9 year old, so I am not sure how much of him would fit in the freezer.

This was the problem with the uplift.People got used to having it.This argument was always going to happen when it ended.

No, I have checked with him, he would much prefer to go out and work, then be eaten. Besides he is a tall 9 year old, so I am not sure how much of him would fit in the freezer.

Good point about freezer space, I'm going to go ask DS to put down the big piece of cake I just gave him.

@Clocktopus

We are told there are staff shortges everywhere now. Lorry drivers, retail. hospitality, warehouses, etc. Some of these jobs (apart from lorry drivers) are low skilled

Not everywhere in the country has shortages and not every job is suitable for every unemployed person.

There are approximately 1.6 million unemployed people in the UK and roughly 960,000 job vacancies. I'm no mathematician but it appears there are more people than vacancies so even if all of those vacancies were filled tomorrow there would still be unemployed people.

people should be doing what they would have to do in the USA where there is no welfare state. Whats that? Work 2/3 jobs to provide for themselves or find a better paying job

Ah the USA, shining paragon of "how to do it right" where almost 10% of the population lives in poverty, it easier to get a gun than an education, and getting sick can bankrupt you

Why should people have to work 2-3 jobs just to stay afloat? It's not healthy, mentally or physically, and it's wrong. Wages should be at a level where one full time job is enough for a fair standard of living and no top ups are necessary, instead we have a situation where employers get away with paying wages that aren't enough to live on because they know the government will top them up. The biggest beneficiaries of the welfare spend are the companies profiting from the ability to pay minimal wages, get angry at them instead of the people claiming the top ups needed in order to support themselves.

Thank you @Clocktopus! Said so eloquently

@Gimlisaxe

Fatten him up and eat him instead? Although then you'll have people pointing out that you can't be that skint if you're having organic, hand-reared meat wink

No, I have checked with him, he would much prefer to go out and work, then be eaten. Besides he is a tall 9 year old, so I am not sure how much of him would fit in the freezer.

You’ve got a freezer? Didn’t you get the memo that poor people are supposed to bury their food in the ground to keep it cool?

It's a shame that you can't can't eat gratitude or use it to heat your house or clothe your children

It is, yes. But complaining and acting as if a terrible injustice is being done here doesn’t help anyone heat their homes or clothe their children either.

A decent welfare system is a basic tenet of a civilised society. Gratitude shouldn’t come into it.

It should come into it, considering that most of the world’s population doesn’t get the state support we do. Sunshine is pretty fundamental to life, that doesn’t mean I can’t feel grateful when I get some extra.

By not having 4 or 5 kids.
By spending their money more wisely (no fags or junk food)
By getting a job

And I say that as someone who works (and gets disability benefits) and also as someone who used to work for the DWP.

The majority of UC claimants, from my experience, need to make better decisions.

Lots of people who are entitled to benefits also work. I think that sometimes people do forget this.

@Clocktopus

It's not a race to the fucking bottom. I don't get UC but I don't begrudge those that do and whine about it being unfair. The point of the welfare system should be to give people a hand up not shove them down.

We're talking about people who need the top up from UC in order to make ends meet, many of them work, and many of them are vulnerable families who are going to be made even more so by this cut. Taking it away, especially right now when prices are going up and NI is rising, is nothing short of cruel and punishes poor people for the crime of being poor.

100%. Jealousy and bitterness with no compassion will get people nowhere

@listentomydeclaration

By not having 4 or 5 kids. By spending their money more wisely (no fags or junk food) By getting a job

And I say that as someone who works (and gets disability benefits) and also as someone who used to work for the DWP.

The majority of UC claimants, from my experience, need to make better decisions.

BENEFIT BASH BINGO!

Do I win?

I think you just need ‘flat screen tv’ to fill that bingo card, BigThumb.

Good point about freezer space, I'm going to go ask DS to put down the big piece of cake I just gave him

Let him eat it, he will need his strength for climbing up chimneys

I'm glad I don't know most of the people on this thread. At least I hope I don't.

£86 a month is hard to lose. Working full time and currently worrying about paying nursery fees

You might want to reread your last paragraph @NailsNeedDoing. It’s utter gibberish. Just because there are countries without a benefit system doesn’t mean people should be grateful for a fundamental right. You’ll be talking about the deserving poor next.

@listentomydeclaration

By not having 4 or 5 kids. By spending their money more wisely (no fags or junk food) By getting a job

And I say that as someone who works (and gets disability benefits) and also as someone who used to work for the DWP.

The majority of UC claimants, from my experience, need to make better decisions.

I’m not surprised you worked for the DWP. You seem the type.

@the80sweregreat

Lots of people who are entitled to benefits also work. I think that sometimes people do forget this.

Yes they do. 40 per cent of all claimants work. Makes no odds to this government though.

@Blossomtoes

Yep, no garden, had to make a compromise. Its ok though, I didn't sell any of my children. I sold the DSS first, I am sure he will be fine

The majority of UC claimants, from my experience, need to make better decisions

In my experience of working in benefits and credits from both the DWP side and the HMRC side is that most people are doing the best they can with what's available to them.

The claimants making out and out bad decisions tend to be those living chaotic lives where bad decisions are as much as symptom of that as they are a cause.

Yes people will struggle - but this is what we get voting for torys! Maybe people will use their votes more wisely next time..

Exactly. People continue to think they are ok because they've had to employ socialist policies during the pandemic.

The cuts to public services have been evident to me all over our city. This isn't just about benefit cuts.

@DismantledKing yes sadly you’re right I am definitely in the minority of how I treat my claimants

[quote Gimlisaxe]@Blossomtoes

Yep, no garden, had to make a compromise. Its ok though, I didn't sell any of my children. I sold the DSS first, I am sure he will be fine[/quote]
Hope you got a good price for him. You did declare it so your benefit was adjusted, didn’t you?

@listentomydeclaration

By not having 4 or 5 kids. By spending their money more wisely (no fags or junk food) By getting a job

And I say that as someone who works (and gets disability benefits) and also as someone who used to work for the DWP.

The majority of UC claimants, from my experience, need to make better decisions.

It's a shame you have to look down your nose at other people to feel that you're a worthy human being.

Working for the DWP won't have given you access to know all of the life circumstances of claimants.