To think Boris Johnson should have to answer questions about the £350 million

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Basically he lied in order to get Brexit, saying we'd have £350 million A WEEK from Brexit for the NHS When we are all getting tax rises instead.
Why is he just being allowed to get away with this lie, without even having to make an apology.

This thread is typical MN, full of people who loudly proffess they would happily pay more tax to fund the NHS when it's an attack on the Tories then get upset when said tax came in.

It is exactly the same response when St Jeremy Corbyn highlighted that 'taxing the rich' ended up being quite a wide margin.

Come the next election it will be a bad tory trait of not wanting to pay more taxes as the NHS still has 24 hours until it is privatised and a lot of posters under a name change will come out and parrot that they would be more than happy to pay more tax if it directly went to the NHS.

The cycle continues and everyone expects the 'other' to pay. Brexit doesn't even come into the overall argument, it's just a childish tantrum.

We shut down the country for the NHS, the majority of Tory Voters actually supported May's dementia tax. If there was real consitency in the arguments against the government people would be crying out for NHS reform instead of pretending that it's trying to be privatised.

the majority of Tory Voters actually supported May's dementia tax

Did they? Is there any evidence of that?

I voted Leave and the bus and £350m "promise" carefully worded for deniability had no impact whatsoever on my vote.

I was worried by the idea that our elected representatives no longer had control over issues of major public concern. I know we used to elect MEPs but they were less than 10% of the total in the European Parliament.

It wasn't that I wanted to reduce net immigration but that I wanted our government to have the power to reduce net immigration if that was the platform on which it was elected. Similarly, I work in an industry that would benefit from state aid, which wasn't allowed under EU rules. I'm not saying that I was expecting state aid post-Brexit, but I was happy that it was now a possibility.

That might point to the reason people aren't up in arms - many Leave voters won't feel that they were misled by the big red bus because they didn't take any notice of it in the first place.

@stuckdownahole

I voted Leave and the bus and £350m "promise" carefully worded for deniability had no impact whatsoever on my vote.

I was worried by the idea that our elected representatives no longer had control over issues of major public concern. I know we used to elect MEPs but they were less than 10% of the total in the European Parliament.

It wasn't that I wanted to reduce net immigration but that I wanted our government to have the power to reduce net immigration if that was the platform on which it was elected. Similarly, I work in an industry that would benefit from state aid, which wasn't allowed under EU rules. I'm not saying that I was expecting state aid post-Brexit, but I was happy that it was now a possibility.

That might point to the reason people aren't up in arms - many Leave voters won't feel that they were misled by the big red bus because they didn't take any notice of it in the first place.

How do you feel now?

To add, many Leave voters won't be upset that the bus promise hasn't come true because they ignored it anyway.

Lots of Remain voters profess to be upset about the bus promise and the low standards of integrity it represents, but I think they should be more honest and admit that what they are really upset about is that the country didn't vote Remain.

@Pumperthepumper I'll get stick for this, but:

1. This isn't the Brexit I would have chosen
2. In any case, I expected short-term disruption, especially when it became clear that we would get the Brexit preferred by the right wing of the Conservative party (see above)

The problem is that any other possibilities became moot when Labour refused to work with Theresa May even though she was in quicksand and would have grasped any helping hand, and then offered a second referendum as their policy when the election came around.

I don't care what the polls said, NO ONE WANTED a second referendum except for the politically engaged, who are a minority. Normal people just saw it as more argument and delay. The Tories were the biggest certainty of all time in 2019.

How do I feel? Not great at the moment but I think a future Labour govt might be able to mitigate a lot of the current damage. The point of being outside the EU is that we are flexible and can change course.

He could have put any figure in the side of the bus that wasn’t the point

Unfortunately it became a squabble about what the figure actually is with no one being able to agree because it’s very complex

Remain fell for this and while the Leave campaign went on their merry way making other statements that can’t quite be pinned down Remain got tangled up in this argument

It’s how Boris Johnson has always done politics create confusion and forge ahead onto the next project

There was never going to be a second referendum

We often talk of leavers being duped those that believed (I include myself) that we had the possibility of a second referendum were also duped - why because we believe the narrative we want to. There was enough remain MPs

The biggest mistake was
to ever have a referendum- MP’s supported this by a huge majority without even debate which is utterly disgraceful. Such a momentous vote and so little discussion in parliament. We had more discussions over fox hunting

To add, many Leave voters won't be upset that the bus promise hasn't come true because they ignored it anyway.

Yes, it is considered somewhat of a master stroke among political scientist as it made the remain campaign go on a defensive technicality route that didn't offer anything other than 'the bus figure is wrong'

The shortage of Lorry drivers is hitting EU and US, nothing to do with Brexit, the shortage of workers coming over and picking our fields (a good source of what is essentialy cheap slavery according to ardent remainers) is happening across western europe as the eastern side has now started to have base rate wages rising so there is less need to move for work to send money home.

The ardent remainers need to understand that they are not left wing, they are right wing globalists, there is a large cross over of people loudly procliaming on anonymous social media that they would be more than happy to pay extra tax to fund the NHS now complaining.

It's like the QT meme of the woman asking who will serve them coffee in Costa.

Jeremy Corbyn was a very reluctant remainer and refused to go on a platform with David Cameron to raise the profile of the remain campaigns.
I blame him as much as DC and Boris Johnson to be honest, the whole affair was shoddy and ill thought out from the get go. I believe that the tories thought remain would win and that would be that.
All history now, but the long term effects will ripple on for years still.

[quote stuckdownahole]@Pumperthepumper I'll get stick for this, but:

1. This isn't the Brexit I would have chosen
2. In any case, I expected short-term disruption, especially when it became clear that we would get the Brexit preferred by the right wing of the Conservative party (see above)

The problem is that any other possibilities became moot when Labour refused to work with Theresa May even though she was in quicksand and would have grasped any helping hand, and then offered a second referendum as their policy when the election came around.

I don't care what the polls said, NO ONE WANTED a second referendum except for the politically engaged, who are a minority. Normal people just saw it as more argument and delay. The Tories were the biggest certainty of all time in 2019.

How do I feel? Not great at the moment but I think a future Labour govt might be able to mitigate a lot of the current damage. The point of being outside the EU is that we are flexible and can change course.[/quote]
No, fair enough. I think the main sticking point is nobody got what they wanted.