If you start work at 9 am, is it OK to walk through the door at 9 am ?

[mmhhhkkkk]

Or is that a bit ' late ' ?

@mmhhhkkkk

She's not really ready to start, no.

What does she do when she gets there??

If she's not ready to start, what is she doing? You'll struggle to get rounded (helpful to your case) answers if you're not forthcoming with the information.

She's not really ready to start, no.

so you can't leave the house at 9am when she walks in? can you explain more about this situation?

Both my previous office jobs definitely wouldn't consider walking in at 9am late. 9am is when we got paid from, so 9am is when we would arrive!

nicely ask her to come in 10 minutes earlier to be ready to start at her time

If your paying for a service from a nanny then you pay for what times you agree, you can ask for an extra 10 minutes but that time isn't free - its paid for by the person asking for it

are you seriously saying she should not be asked to arrive 10 minutes before? and if she does then her start time must be changed for 10 minutes before?

are you leaving when she arrives op? what is the issue?

@MrsLargeEmbodied

are you seriously saying she should not be asked to arrive 10 minutes before? and if she does then her start time must be changed for 10 minutes before?

It depends on how the OP is defining "not ready"

I am not sure how they can be unready though, as they are responsible for the DC straight away. I suspect that the OP wants to talk shop for 10 minutes and expects this done before 9.

You need to be through the door and coat off I would say. If you are the kind of person who switches your pc on whilst you hang up your coat (I do) and bring your tea from home hot then leaving it down to the wire works, but if you like to faff about changing your shoes, making coffee etc you need to arrive earlier!

also when i worked in the kitchen i was told to be in before my start time,
dd behind the bar, told the same thing
a nanny i should think falls into this category, there needs to be a handover

@MrsLargeEmbodied

are you seriously saying she should not be asked to arrive 10 minutes before? and if she does then her start time must be changed for 10 minutes before?

Of course she can be asked but she needs to be paid.

If she works 3 days a week then that’s 2h over the month that she’s doing unpaid. She shouldn’t be expected to do a straight 2h unpaid so why should she be expected to do it just because it’s 10m a day?

I start work at 8.30, my first appointment is at 8.30. If I got in at 8.30 I'd be 'late' for my first appointment. I get in at 8 as I like to be prepared, however I don't get paid from 8, I think I should be paid for 8.20 minimum!

@MrsLargeEmbodied

also when i worked in the kitchen i was told to be in before my start time, dd behind the bar, told the same thing a nanny i should think falls into this category, there needs to be a handover

Just because you were told that doesn’t mean it’s right.

If you come in at 9, grab a coffee, power up a computer, have a social chat and are ready to sit down at 9.20 then yes, you need to do that on your own time but a nanny walks in, takes shoes and jacket off and is ready. Even if they make a coffee they can still do it when in charge of the kids.

I’ve worked in jobs where a handover can be 15mins in the morning and 15mins in the evening. I’m sure as shit not working 30mins free per day. It’s factored into my hours and if they overrun then they can pay me for it. If I want to have a chat with them about somthing nt related to work then obviously they don’t pay me for it. It’s very simple

If you need to leave or start work at 9 on the dot/have a 9am meeting or need her to be there for a handover then employ her from 8:45.

Not all of us work at desks, if my shift starts at 9 I can walk in at 9 shove bag in a locker and walk immediately onto shop floor to start

Once she's at your house what other stuff does she have to do to get ready to start work?

From a minimum wage perspective if staff are expected to be in the office before 9am then the clock would start at that point in terms of ensuring compliance with national minimum wage.
However if the employee is paid above national minimum wage then it doesn't matter a great deal and it's down to the contract and expectations.
Personally I'd be fine with my nanny walking in at the start time as she is ready to work as soon as she steps in really. If you need to do a lengthy handover you may want to increase her hours.
Having said that i admit that my nanny does tend to walk in 10mins before..

If your train left at 9am, would you walk into the station at 9am, NO. That’s the rule I use.

It really does depend on the job. I worked in a supermarket once and if you swiped in more than 5 minutes before your shift started you were docked pay.

I do see the reasonable argument that you should be ready to start work at the time you're paid from, but I also think if you're not paid until 9am then why should you be there doing anything before that? Why should your nanny get there any time before when she's not paid to do so? As long as when she shows up she takes her coat off and gets down to it right away then what's the issue? If you want her earlier then change her hours.

If you’re paid from 9am you’re paid to work from 9am, not to have a coffee and chat to your colleagues about their kids or the dog for 15-20 minutes - unless of course those same people work on 15-20 minutes past their finish time every night (and we all know people who never do). If everyone - or even a sizeable number of people- in a company routinely does 100 minutes less work per hour each work (assuming again they don’t work past their finish time) then that’s a hefty wage bill for zero productivity.

*100 minutes less work per week

not to have a coffee and chat to your colleagues about their kids or the dog for 15-20 minutes

Except this kind of communication is part of some people’s job.

It really depends on what you are being paid to do.

@MrsLargeEmbodied

are you seriously saying she should not be asked to arrive 10 minutes before? and if she does then her start time must be changed for 10 minutes before?

Why not? It depends whether you are salaried and whether your contract says you'll work extra hours as required but certainly for an hourly paid role you should be paid the extra if you are expected to stay behind at the end of the day or arrive early.

@merrymouse

not to have a coffee and chat to your colleagues about their kids or the dog for 15-20 minutes

Except this kind of communication is part of some people’s job.

It really depends on what you are being paid to do.

What company really requires large swathes of the workforce to drink coffee for 20 minutes every day and do 100 minutes less than they're getting paid for each work? Unless your JD specifically says 'working hours are from 9-5 with the first 20 minutes of every day to be spent drinking coffee and chatting about non-work related issues' then you - and everyone else who routinely works less that they're paid to - is taking the p.

*less each week