If you start work at 9 am, is it OK to walk through the door at 9 am ?

[mmhhhkkkk]

Or is that a bit ' late ' ?

I'm always early for things so I'm at work at half 8, spend time slowly making a brew, getting my setup right, maybe have some toast etc. We have a meeting scheduled at 9 and my anxiety gets set off if I think I'm late for things.
All of my colleagues (there are 6 of us) usually walk through the door anywhere from 10 to to 20 past...
Piss take imo.

I work on a ward and one of the night nurses ALWAYS comes in late .I cannot leave until the next qualified person is on duty. Meant to get that at 715 for handover and wanders in at 725…it really pisses me off !

At my workplace some people arrive when they like and spend the first half an hour or so making and eating their breakfast - I see people microwaving porridge and chopping up bits of fruit, chatting away to colleagues at the ssme time. Very laid back!

When I worked retail I was paid the hours that the shop was open. If the store opened at 9am then I was expected to be there ready to open the doors at 9, not wandering in.
When in an office I would be at my desk ready for my start time.
As a teacher I’m in about an hour before I get paid.

Really pretty disappointed by this thread. Here was I thinking that the work from home situation had created a sensible, mature acceptance of flexible working in many office roles so that people can find a better work-life balance. But no. If you don’t fling your kids into school and nearly turn your ankle by sprinting to your desk all pees and chats had, coffee ready and computer on ready to start making your employer profit from your labour by 8.59, then woe betide you because your fellow worker bees will have noticed this and not be amused. There’s almost a religious castigation here in this thread of the idea of turning up after 9, working your 8 hours, then leaving. Flexibility? Why would we want that? Oh worker bees, you have made the Man happy.

I hate handovers with a passion. I used to work nights and we had to be there 15 mins early UNPAID for it. However the AM managers rarely came in until on the dot so we usually had to stay another 15-30 UNPAID. I left very quickly and took my entire team with me. No way is anyone getting 2.5-4 HOURS PER WEEK of my work for free
That is horrendous!
Our hand overs are relaxed.
Everyone gets a brew, makes some toast or lunch and as a general chat before we get down to business and sign off petty cash, tasks done etc.
If anyone is a few minutes late, no one bothers, we just wait until they arrive.
The result is we have an extremely strong team that support each other and dont clock watch as a rule and go above and beyond when required and really round and support our manager.

@spinachandchickpea

If you don’t fling your kids into school and nearly turn your ankle by sprinting to your desk all pees and chats had, coffee ready and computer on ready to start making your employer profit from your labour by 8.59, then woe betide you because your fellow worker bees will have noticed this and not be amused

Congratulations. You've never worked for my ex-boss.

Don't diss everyone else who has worked for wankers like this, we're just trying to earn a wage.

@nordicmomma

At my workplace some people arrive when they like and spend the first half an hour or so making and eating their breakfast - I see people microwaving porridge and chopping up bits of fruit, chatting away to colleagues at the ssme time. Very laid back!

All of this chatting to colleagues etc may seem laid back but actually pays off. I got my current job from someone I’d chatted with in a breakfast queue 😎 Of course there are limits (e.g after work socials are unfair to those who can’t attend. No excessive charting such that it distracts work) but IMO talking to your colleagues during the working day counts as work. Nobody ever got ahead by staring at a computer screen all day!

*chatting

"Chatting to colleagues" is actually the bit I find most difficult about my job. I'd much rather be head down, get on with it but apparently, when you're a manager, you have to show some interest in people's lives outside of work

@olidora63 - that is such a piss-take!! Does she not miss handover? Or do you have to do it again just for her?!

My work is very relaxed about these things. We have a clock in system and flexi. So if you start 5 minutes later, you need to make it up elsewhere. I'm very grateful to do the type of job that just trusts work will get done.

I understand that for public facing roles someone being a few minutes late means that colleagues have to do the work in their absence. For years I work with someone who opted to start 7.30 and finish 3.30 (flexi). It meant I took all the calls 3.30 to 5pm, much busier than her 7.30 to 9am solo time. So annoying!

@NinaGonk

My work is very relaxed about these things. We have a clock in system and flexi. So if you start 5 minutes later, you need to make it up elsewhere. I'm very grateful to do the type of job that just trusts work will get done.

I understand that for public facing roles someone being a few minutes late means that colleagues have to do the work in their absence. For years I work with someone who opted to start 7.30 and finish 3.30 (flexi). It meant I took all the calls 3.30 to 5pm, much busier than her 7.30 to 9am solo time. So annoying!

This is taking the piss and shouldn’t be allowed! Flexi doesn’t work for people for whom the majority of their jobs is meetings either….

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

Don't diss everyone else who has worked for wankers like this, we're just trying to earn a wage.

Fair enough, and I have worked for wankers too but had kind of forgotten that as I now have a bit more flexibility. Which I get makes me lucky.

I just don’t want this moment in working history to be lost though. Isn’t this the chance to retain some of the flexibility gains some of us have been given? In many cases jobs have been done as well from home. Why make everyone go back into offices for 9am starts when eg school starts around 9am? So many jobs could be done flexibly as regards timing and location, to the worker’s benefit and no loss to the employer. It’s a shame if there’s an army of presenteeists in every office making this advance unnecessarily difficult.

Ha! My company office hours are between 9-5 and we have people in at 10:30 sometimes. They stay late, work hard and make up the time so I don’t care. Never once had to have a chat with anyone on my team. It’s about trust.

If you walk in the door at 9am you clearly are not working. You need to fire up your PC / laptop, hang up your coat and settle before you can actually work.

However it completely depends on your job. Mine does not depend on me starting at a set time but other jobs do.

I'd say you need to switch on your computer at 9am. How long it takes to boot up is up to your employer. I would expect to be paid for any time my computer takes to boot up. So if I manned a helpline that was open from 9am and I had to take calls at 9am on the dot then I would expect to be paid from 8.55am.

Employers are taking the piss if they expect you to be working unpaid before and after your actual paid hours. If you are on a huge salary then fair enough but for the average minimum wage Jo/Joe it's exploitative.

I’m a community midwife (9-5) and am often there at around 8:45 to do essentials (natter to the nurse/reception staff, make coffee) and turn on my computer to see my jobs for the day; my first patient gets there at 9:30 but I’m often busy with admin or preparing for the day.

Employees working unpaid hours is a major issue

www.tuc.org.uk/blogs/work-your-proper-hours-day-lets-stop-working-free

And this thread proves exactly why it happens,

[quote spinachandchickpea]@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

Don't diss everyone else who has worked for wankers like this, we're just trying to earn a wage.

Fair enough, and I have worked for wankers too but had kind of forgotten that as I now have a bit more flexibility. Which I get makes me lucky.

I just don’t want this moment in working history to be lost though. Isn’t this the chance to retain some of the flexibility gains some of us have been given? In many cases jobs have been done as well from home. Why make everyone go back into offices for 9am starts when eg school starts around 9am? So many jobs could be done flexibly as regards timing and location, to the worker’s benefit and no loss to the employer. It’s a shame if there’s an army of presenteeists in every office making this advance unnecessarily difficult.[/quote]
Absolutely agreed! Reading this thread just took me right back to previous nightmare jobs with clockwatching managers ready to pull you up for taking one too many trips to the canteen or arriving 5 minutes late because of a delayed bus.

I start work at 7pm get there at 6:30pm to write my list of patients down.We are in an open plan office on the ward so if a visitor or patient asks me something I don't say I've not actually started work as they don't know that also if the phone rings and I'm the only person in the office I will answer it.
Think it depends on the job tbh.

@spinachandchickpea

Really pretty disappointed by this thread. Here was I thinking that the work from home situation had created a sensible, mature acceptance of flexible working in many office roles so that people can find a better work-life balance. But no. If you don’t fling your kids into school and nearly turn your ankle by sprinting to your desk all pees and chats had, coffee ready and computer on ready to start making your employer profit from your labour by 8.59, then woe betide you because your fellow worker bees will have noticed this and not be amused. There’s almost a religious castigation here in this thread of the idea of turning up after 9, working your 8 hours, then leaving. Flexibility? Why would we want that? Oh worker bees, you have made the Man happy.

True. But not all jobs can be done flexibly, I've never had one that can! And that's my opinion, not my managers

[quote UndertheCedartree]@olidora63 - that is such a piss-take!! Does she not miss handover? Or do you have to do it again just for her?![/quote]
The person in question gets the print off from the shift and the bare minimum of verbal handover and a bloody good glare !! I and colleagues have complained..but it appears to fall on deaf ears 😫

[quote spinachandchickpea]@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

Don't diss everyone else who has worked for wankers like this, we're just trying to earn a wage.

Fair enough, and I have worked for wankers too but had kind of forgotten that as I now have a bit more flexibility. Which I get makes me lucky.

I just don’t want this moment in working history to be lost though. Isn’t this the chance to retain some of the flexibility gains some of us have been given? In many cases jobs have been done as well from home. Why make everyone go back into offices for 9am starts when eg school starts around 9am? So many jobs could be done flexibly as regards timing and location, to the worker’s benefit and no loss to the employer. It’s a shame if there’s an army of presenteeists in every office making this advance unnecessarily difficult.[/quote]
Exactly!
For the majority of generic office jobs I’m struggling to think of why being on the dot in matters.

*office jobs that don’t require just presence (like a receptionist)