to be pleased with the Ofcam ruling on Piers Morgan

[TeloMere]

Even though I can't stand the bloke?

Well here we have the great dichotomy of "Be Kind" vs the so-called cancel culture. Piers Morgan can't stand Meghan and personally I was tired of him using a national TV platform to spout his personal views. How would you feel if at the end of a BBC News report on H&M Huw Edwards turned to the camera and said "by the way I don't believe a word she says?" It's wrong when there is supposed to be impartiality in news reporting - for a good reason. It is not the same as you or I or any other private individual who is not being paid to present news items saying what we may think on Mumsnet or similar.

That's not quite right Marie - Catholic Churches can conduct legal marriages without a registrar and have done for some time. I got married in the Catholic Church in 2000 and the preist did the legal but as well.

It used to be the case that it was only the CofE that could legally marry people but that changed sometime between 1998 (when we booked the wedding and was told we needed to pay the registrar to come) and 2000 when the law had changed and the preist did it all.

[quote FreddyKreugersWife]**@Unfashionable* As I've said, she didn't lie. There is a distinct and completely total lack of ability of people in the UK to understand that marriage is not just a legal* concept, and it's common in many countries and cultures to consider yourself married even if you haven't filed the paperwork. It's called Common Law Marriage or DeFacto marriage. The UK is not the be all and end all. In the culture and country she grew up in, it's common to have a private vow exchange ceremony before the legal wedding. She didn't lie. She used common terms that are common with the culture she grew up in.[/quote]
The point you are missing is that Markle didn’t marry in California or Timbuktu, or anywhere else. She married in England, therefore English law applied. She’s not an idiot, therefore she must have understood that she wasn’t married until the actual wedding.

[quote FreddyKreugersWife]@Marguerite2000 She said they exchanged private vows. Many cultures and countries such as America have 2 weddings, a private one and a legal one. It wasn't a lie. It was a cultural difference.[/quote]
No, it was a rehearsal.

@Lockheart

You can be pleased with whatever you like, why do you need to ask if it's unreasonable?

Why not?

I have already said I’m Middle Eastern. I completely get that marriage can mean different things to different people in some instances, eg an Islamic marriage that isn’t legally binding under the law of England and Wales.

It’s no good enough to just throw that in here without saying what cultural norms people think Meghan was relying on here. If she had said she was married after having an Islamic wedding that would be fine - and also totally fucking different to this. dreamstate you cannot possibly think it’s the same thing.

freddy why don’t you accept we do have such a thing as objective truth? Someone doesn’t just get to say night is day and call it true because it’s “their truth”. It’s such bullshit.

Sadly, she did lie about the wedding and no amount of mental gymnastics will erase that, amusing though they are to read.

She caused a great deal of consternation in the office of the Archbishop of Canterbury, with one book being opened-not entirely lightheartedly-on whether he would be carted off to gaol!

He himself was forced to issue a statement after days of mulling it over with his advisors which would get him out of trouble and yet not call her a liar.

A very amusing episode but sadly a liar is one who lies and on this occasion the tiara fits. Piers may have exaggerated by saying he wouldn't believe her if she read him a weather report but, in essence, he was correct.

YANBU to be pleased with the Ofcam ruling.

I do wonder if Ms Markle had been told-after her backyard ceremony- that she did not need the state wedding what her reaction would have been.

I think she would have been displeased and insisted on the state wedding, simply because she knew her charming backyard ceremony was no more a wedding than it was a naked marathon in aid of deceased dinosaurs.

In the culture and country she grew up in, it's common to have a private vow exchange ceremony before the legal wedding. She didn't lie. She used common terms that are common with the culture she grew up in.

In California, you mean?

@Chicchicchicchiclana

Well here we have the great dichotomy of "Be Kind" vs the so-called cancel culture. Piers Morgan can't stand Meghan and personally I was tired of him using a national TV platform to spout his personal views. How would you feel if at the end of a BBC News report on H&M Huw Edwards turned to the camera and said "by the way I don't believe a word she says?" It's wrong when there is supposed to be impartiality in news reporting - for a good reason. It is not the same as you or I or any other private individual who is not being paid to present news items saying what we may think on Mumsnet or similar.

Piers Morgan wasn't a news reader on GMB. His job was interviewer and leading discussion.

So what, my American friends when other here still call chips, fries ...yet they are in the UK..

Do you pick up on everything people say wrong? Or just Meghan?

literally cannot comprehend why people get so riled up over other people they haven't met. Its silly and wow your seriously lacking a life if you spend your time bitching about celebrities

@cardibach

What on Earth do you think she needed from him *@JudgeJ*? She was the star if a multi million dollar show and wealthy in her own right as a result. He is an objectionable grifter who hacked a dead child’s phone for financial benefit. If we are considering who has lied and cheated the most, I submit it isn’t MM.

At that point she wasn't - she was an actress in a soap. Doing nicely but not in the realms of Hollywood stardom - she lived in a rented house, not a multi million dollar mansion.

She linked in with Piers Morgan because he was a contact of one of the stars of Suits (Patrick somebody?), so she introduced herself over social media and they chatted. Harry was not in the picture at that point - she was the one looking for the contacts.

The first and only time they met socially, she was asking about Cole - the footballer - as one of her friends was trying to arrange a blind date for her with him. Piers warned her off. She then met Harry and ghosted Piers. Fair enough. But she was the one who initiated the contact, and had more to gain from it at that point. Then she met H.

@Dreamstate

So what, my American friends when other here still call chips, fries ...yet they are in the UK..

Do you pick up on everything people say wrong? Or just Meghan?

literally cannot comprehend why people get so riled up over other people they haven't met. Its silly and wow your seriously lacking a life if you spend your time bitching about celebrities

Right but chips and fries are different words for the same thing. a marriage and a chat with a vicar in a back garden are two different things.

The issue at hand is whether piers morgan should or shouldn’t be allowed to call her a liar. Therefore the thread is discussing whether or not there are grounds to call her a liar.

@AnneElliott

That's not quite right Marie - Catholic Churches can conduct legal marriages without a registrar and have done for some time. I got married in the Catholic Church in 2000 and the preist did the legal but as well.

It used to be the case that it was only the CofE that could legally marry people but that changed sometime between 1998 (when we booked the wedding and was told we needed to pay the registrar to come) and 2000 when the law had changed and the preist did it all.

Hadn't realised this had changed, and quite some time ago too. I'm showing my age!

@znaika

The marriage thing is immaterial, the point is, it sets a dangerous precedent for free speech if journalists get fired for questioning the integrity of the rich and powerful.

As to the big tech- watch every single thread that isn't sycophantic fawning about Meghan get derailed to be about Andrew or deleted by exactly the same posters- is something else at play here? I don't have a problem with her actually, but she should be scrutinised.

It's a dangerous tribalism that affects us all

He'd been given a platform to effectively stalk her for two years.

I'm all for a critical press but this went beyond this into something very sinister. There's investigative critical thinking, bringing matters to light for the benefit of public interest, then there's deeply personal, unpleasant harassment. This was the latter.

Well done for the Catholics!

Next step might be getting rid of the ruling which precludes them from inheriting the throne-the only group who are disallowed.

I know it's a niche situation but the fact that it exists at all speaks volumes.

OK then Derxa. Interviewers are also supposed to be impartial on British TV. Or had you not noticed? PM was using GMTV to broadcast the views that he should have kept to his Op Ed pieces in the Daily Fail.

Interviewers are also supposed to be impartial on British TV

Depends on the programme. Regardless, this is the right outcome.

PM got above himself and it was personal.

@AngelicaElizaAndPeggy

Hooray for free speech! Long live the privileged white man and his right to troll a woman over a number of years in the international media.

A real victory for the everyman.

Oh please; as if there was ever a moment where Piers Morgan's free speech was ever threatened. The man hardly ceased wittering on about her for years!

I’d argue on this particular point that you can’t get much more privileged than marrying into the ROYAL family.

But the whole point is, it doesnt matter if the people criticising her are less than perfect- she has a big (unearned) platform and wealth. She was lying, she got found out.

Personally I don't give a shit about her hemlines or whether youre supposed to cross your legs at the knees or ankles per protocol or whatever the bitching is- Archwell is worthy of scrutiny though. It doesn't matter if it's Piers Morgan or anyone else checking it. Some people are demanding that she gets a free pass because they like her, noone gets a free pass, not Biden nor Trump, Meghan nor Andrew.

Same. He is too obsessed with her for sure, but like PM, I do not for a minute believe she was suicidal.

@Chicchicchicchiclana

Well here we have the great dichotomy of "Be Kind" vs the so-called cancel culture. Piers Morgan can't stand Meghan and personally I was tired of him using a national TV platform to spout his personal views. How would you feel if at the end of a BBC News report on H&M Huw Edwards turned to the camera and said "by the way I don't believe a word she says?" It's wrong when there is supposed to be impartiality in news reporting - for a good reason. It is not the same as you or I or any other private individual who is not being paid to present news items saying what we may think on Mumsnet or similar.

False equivalent. GMB is a breakfast programme, not a news report.

@FreddyKreugersWife
”You may not be married in the eyes of the government, but you have exchanged vows and are married. It's what Common Law Marriage is all about.”

The whole point of Common Law Marriage is that you're living together and are not married. You can be married and yet not be married which is what you're seeming to argue.

I’d argue on this particular point that you can’t get much more privileged than marrying into the ROYAL family.

Not if you're not in possession of one particular form of privilege. It will put you at an immediate disadvantage and you'll likely not last five minutes.

This is a family with a demonstrable track-record of a very particular form of prejudice. Harry not excluded.