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TeloMere · 2021-09-01T11:51:13+00:00

Even though I can't stand the bloke?

WomanStanleyWoman · 01/09/2021 19:51

@Puzzledandpissedoff

the issue is whether or not Meghan is or isn’t telling the truth

I thought it was more about whether Piers was entitled to say he didn't believe her?

FWIW I'm another who thinks he's a deluded fool, but even deluded fools are free to express their own opinions unless they constitute hate speech, incite violence, etc.

Absolutely. No judgement has been made on whether she is telling the truth; nor do we need one. It’s about whether Morgan, or anyone, can raise the question.

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TeloMere · 01/09/2021 19:58

Someone on R4 pm said there were no producers of TV news/currents affairs shows who were people of colour . They said if PM had a black producer he might have been restrained from making such controversial remarks.
I think this is unlikely, surely any producer would want the increased ratings that controversy brings.

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AlfonsoTheMango · 01/09/2021 20:00

YANBU. I was pleased with the OFCOM ruling.

HereForThis · 01/09/2021 20:00

You said he got above himself which means that he thinks he's better than he is.

I think the poster meant he went beyond his role and his criticism of MM was personal. It was obvious from the beginning when he couldn't stop harping on about THAT ONE drink meeting they had and how he never saw her again till the news about her and Harry.

Imagine thinking someone owed you a continued presence because they sought you out first. Isnt that what the world of celebrities, media and the rest of them is about? Social climbing, networking, going for the next big fish? He's just wounded because he was at the receiving end this time and MM managed to score much higher than his status. His criticism of her is like someone finally getting a chance to gloat over their enemy's misfortune in public.

Suzi888 · 01/09/2021 20:04

@seaandsandcastles

YANBU. Free speech is important.

This whole cancel culture has gone too far but hopefully this is a step in the right direction.

^ agree with this

“I seriously don't understand why Piers is so triggered by Meghan” - because they were previously friends and he probably wanted all the gossip first hand, but instead she went to Oprah

PinkArt · 01/09/2021 20:05

Agreed, @shirleyphallus. Regardless of what Morgan thinks about Markle, how creepy his obsession is, whether she was confused about the marriage or outright made stuff up, the dangerous part of what he said was that he didn't believe a woman who talked about being suicidal. That's why the broadcast generated so many complaints as it wasn't just a matter of people thinking he's a dick or 'being woke', it was a potentially very damaging comment. The ofcom rules around suicide are very tight for good reason.
If just one person was watching the show and thinking of ending their life, that gave a very dangerous message to them that there's no point talking about it as people won't believe you anyway

Gotmyhoops · 01/09/2021 20:06

Someone very early on in this thread used the term ‘Moron’ to describe people who used the term ‘woke’.

I find the word moron really offensive, I hate it, I take it personally because one of my dc has some minor brain damage.

I still think that poster should be allowed to bandy it around if it makes them feel better and superior about defending MM.

I find the defenders of MM just as bizarre as the haters.

znaika · 01/09/2021 20:15

We are in deep I think. People are unable to separate the action from the people. You do not have to like PM to think you should be able to question the rich and powerful. Thinking Meghan is on balance alright does not mean she should be held to different and more lenient standards than other people in the public eye.

Haywirecity · 01/09/2021 20:16

Please don't tell me my opinion is wrong yet again - that is cancel culture.

😂😂😂😂 That's not what cancel culture is. I can disagree with your opinion as much as I want, that doesn't cancel you!

I now see you meant as a presenter as opposed to an individual. Obviously it didn't read like that in the post I quoted so I apologise if I misunderstood. But your description of him makes me believe you think he was no more than a newsreader. He wasn't. GMTV isn't just a news programme. He was hired as an opinionst. If he was just a newsreader, he couldn't express political opinions in the way he did. Others that are vying for his job have said they're happy to express their own opinions too. He already proved he was a crap journalist when he got sacked from The Mirror. But journalists are allowed to express the same view repeatedly. As are you. As am I.

muffinffaces · 01/09/2021 20:22

She used Piers Morgan for his contacts, publicity, etc. When she no longer needed him, she dropped him. I can see 100% why from her point of view. But when you use people, it can have bad consequences. And now the consequence is that he will dump on her whenever he feels like it. He needs to make sure he doesn't break the law. She needs to make sure she treats people better. Maybe they deserve each other.

Surely that is quite normal in showbiz circles though? I'm not saying it's right but show biz is shallow & fickle. He can dislike her & her behaviour but he's way too triggered by it.

SunbathingDragon · 01/09/2021 20:36

I think people, especially journalists, should be able to challenge what others say.

Haywirecity · 01/09/2021 20:40

He can dislike her & her behaviour but he's way too triggered by it.

Not only can he, but he does dislike her and her behaviour. If he had the same reactions about anonymous Ms Jones down the road, it might be a problem. No one knows how triggered he is anymore, but even if he weren't triggered, he's not going to stop talking about her. It's a money making business now. MM makes public statements on different forms of media. As a journalist he's going to comment. He expresses opinions lots of people agree with and he gets a big boost in readership numbers. PH and MM make their money off peoples interest in them. He does the same. As you say, that's showbiz.

LakieLady · 01/09/2021 20:51

[quote FreddyKreugersWife]@znaika But Meghan used common parlance that was familiar to her. She wasn't to know the UK are really strange about marriage.[/quote]
And she wouldn't be the first to get it wrong.

Remember Jerry Hall thought she was married to Mick Jagger, but their beach ceremony on some island somewhere didn't consitute a wedding under UK law?

awaynboilyurheid · 01/09/2021 20:56

Not really a fan of Piers Morgan, but actually agree with him on Meghan Markle , think she’s a stranger to the truth as my granny would say!

Unfashionable · 01/09/2021 21:01

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9946311/PIERS-MORGAN-Ofcoms-vindication-resounding-victory-freedom-speech.html

Morgan’s response to Ofcom’s verdict. 👆You don’t have to be a fan of his to agree with every word he has written here. This verdict is an important victory for free speech, and a defeat for the rich & powerful who want to use their money, status & connections to silence criticism.

YourFinestPantaloons · 01/09/2021 21:04

What @Unfashionable

The sheer arrogance of H&M camp to think they can sue anyone who isn't adoring of them is astounding. They DID make bogus claims, which have since proven to be exaggerated and unfounded, and rather than self reflect they just stropped when people pointed it out

YourFinestPantaloons · 01/09/2021 21:04

what @Unfashionable* said, that should've read

Haywirecity · 01/09/2021 21:09

@LakieLady
"And she wouldn't be the first to get it wrong.
Remember Jerry Hall thought she was married to Mick Jagger, but their beach ceremony on some island somewhere didn't consitute a wedding under UK law?"

Maybe you're being sarcastic? If not, a Hindu wedding in Bali when neither of the participants are Hindu; and teaching from the primate of England on marriage and a rehearsal in your back garden aren't really the same thing. Lol.

Justanotherlurker · 01/09/2021 21:16

To take a step back from this, apparently a culture war is a right wing meme, and yet there have been multiple threads over this what is essentialy boils down to an IDPOL narrative.

It's the new divide and conqure narrative and neither side are covering themselves in glory or are on 'the right side of history'.

TheSinger · 01/09/2021 21:17

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OhWhyNot · 01/09/2021 21:21

His obsession with her and the constant ridiculing her was a form of bullying he knows it’s being reported was just nasty

He will no doubt return gloating and shall start all over again he is that obsessed this will only fire him up even more

muffinffaces · 01/09/2021 21:22

It's the new divide and conqure narrative and neither side are covering themselves in glory or are on 'the right side of history'.

Agree with this, Meghan & Harry (Harry is often left out) may be spoilt attention seeking liars etc but there is certainly sexism & racism directed at Meghan. No one is winning.

LakieLady · 01/09/2021 21:33

[quote Haywirecity]@LakieLady
"And she wouldn't be the first to get it wrong.
Remember Jerry Hall thought she was married to Mick Jagger, but their beach ceremony on some island somewhere didn't consitute a wedding under UK law?"

Maybe you're being sarcastic? If not, a Hindu wedding in Bali when neither of the participants are Hindu; and teaching from the primate of England on marriage and a rehearsal in your back garden aren't really the same thing. Lol.[/quote]
Flippant, rather than sarcastic.

But it's not unheard of for people not to realise that they're not actually legally married. I managed the registration service for a local authority for a few years, and there were often weddings for people who'd had a ceremony some years before and had only just realised they weren't actually legally married.

People who've had ceremonies in churches other than CoE or, post 2000, RC synagogues, quaker meeting houses, hospital chapels etc often didn't realise that the only bit that made them legally married was the signing of the register in the presence of witnesses and a superintendent registrar or Anglican vicar.

This often came to light when people were putting their affairs in order late in life or when facing terminal illness, and it had only come to light that they weren't legally married as part of that process. And they'd do at least a couple of specially licensed "deathbed weddings" a year.

I understand that this is less common now as there was a bit of a campaign to get officiates in non-Anglican churches and non-Christian faiths to explain to couples that they needed to do the bureaucratic bit at a register office.

LakieLady · 01/09/2021 21:41

@muffinffaces

It's the new divide and conqure narrative and neither side are covering themselves in glory or are on 'the right side of history'.

Agree with this, Meghan & Harry (Harry is often left out) may be spoilt attention seeking liars etc but there is certainly sexism & racism directed at Meghan. No one is winning.

I agree with this, @muffinffaces.

I'm a republican, so don't really have a dog in this particular fight, but I do think there's a big element of misogyny and possibly racism in the repeated attacks on her.She doesn't conform to the stereotype of an English princess. And the H&M sideshow at least delivers a bit of distraction from the pervy uncle, so maybe not entirely unwelcome in some quarters.

I just wish it hadn't been Morgan who was (to some extent, at least) vindicated by the Ofcom judgment. He's a boorish, hectoring, arrogant twat.

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/09/2021 21:43

Today 13:43 ilovemydogandmrobama2

I seriously don't understand why Piers is so triggered by Meghan confused@TeloMere

Heard tell that he made advances in years gone by and she wasn’t interested. No idea if that’s true or not.