Tourists exodus today relieved

[justasking111]

Well it's over today the tsunami of tourists will be gone.

We have never experienced such, rudeness, aggressive behaviour from them as we have this summer. Our businesses have limped along short staffed, been abused, threatened as have locals. The littering has been something else.

I know everyone has had a bad year but so have the Welsh our lockdowns harder and longer than others.

We still wear masks in shops fgs

So hopefully you all had good holidays but glad of a bit of peace now

We holiday in the UK all the time. This year there have been a lot of scummy, nasty people around.

Hopefully next year they can all feck off on the usual skanky Mediterranean All Inclusive Package Holidays & things will get back to normal.

Area relying on tourism moaning about tourists?! Move is my suggestion

@DecadentlyDecisive

We holiday in the UK all the time. This year there have been a lot of scummy, nasty people around.

Hopefully next year they can all feck off on the usual skanky Mediterranean All Inclusive Package Holidays & things will get back to normal.

Unlike the civilised polite respectable people who use words like skanky and scum to describe other people and their holidays?

@znaika

The smug Londoners are hilarious- the tourists don't double your population. The idea that people in Wales and the SW exist to service smug Londoners (who liie in the suburbs and don't encounter the groups who photograph themselves outside Buckingham palace- imagine if it was literally up your garden path and your front door) and shoiuld be grateful for their cash is appalling. I think it's abundantly clear who some of the entitled twats are. Tourism as it stands is unsustainable- we all will need to think about where we go and the impact it has on the communities we visit and the environment. Some of the attitudes here are grim. You can see it where people have special Cornwall wardrobes specially for clicking their fingers at some fisherman or farm labourer's son on daughter studying and earning cash for themselves- they should be grateful for the opportunity don't you know?

Actually a quick google tells me 1 million people visit Wales each year and there is a population of approximately 3 million. So no not doubling your population usually but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say maybe you've had 1.5 million this year.

London averages between 21-30 million visitors annually with a population of 8.9 million. So tripling the London population.

This thread is one long line of similar ones this year from 'tourist spots' around the UK bemoaning non locals visiting them. Some more vitriolic than others. Us 'smug Londoners' are trying to explain that the same is never trotted out here in London. We are welcoming. We have to be.

Arseholes are arseholes wherever they go. Don't tar all people with the same brush.

Not so much the tourists but the second home-owners that upset me. They seem to think they contribute something to the community their 2nd home is in.

@AlistairCamel

I find your post strange and divisive. It’s quite ‘othering’. I don’t think anyone has suggested the Welsh haven’t had a tough time. I don’t think you are that different from any other group of people in Britain. We’ve all struggled in various ways. There is a need to have competitive suffering.

I am sorry you’ve had a difficult time, especially with tourists but I find your post odd.

I empathise (and I am not Welsh) because many coastal regions around the UK have been 'under attack' from a new breed of British tourist (as well as friendlies too). Litter scattered across green spaces, barbecues setting fire to bins, plastic bottles and bags left lying on beaches to choke the sealife, shouting, swearing, intimidating older people and general rowdiness as a whole, not to mention defecating in the bushes due to being too drunk to walk to the open public toilet only 100 metres away.

I have seen this all happen this year. So its not just a Welsh thing. Nonetheless, it is not unfair to comment from the direct Welsh experience and include stated facts regarding sensible stricter lockdown rules. If the person had been from Bournemouth instead, no doubt they would give the post a Bournemouth edge. So its not really competitive. Just airing a gripe about rude people who have come to their domain - which in this case is in Wales. So its not an odd post at all. Just an expression of relief.

We went to three different UK tourist destinations this summer (including Wales) and had a great time, super friendly staff everywhere who were clearly pleased to see us and glad of our money, which we parted with happily. Only issue in some places was staff obviously new and not thoroughly trained but still had a good attitude.

It was very busy everywhere and I think sheer numbers of people will turn up a higher number of idiots. Everyone said they thought Covid would make us all nicer to each other. I thought that was optimistic and I think it's made some people less able to mix with others without being selfish.

I don't think you're unreasonable to want to be treated with a bit of dignity and respect, no. I don't think that's beyond anyone..however the following has happened to me in southeast Kent amd many of my friends in the last 2 years , I'm not in Wales:

• Had job in warehouse after losing job in office , stayed for a year got laid off for 6 weeks last March-may

-Worked throughout May-sept then got laid off again -Haven't been able to go abroad to say goodbye to a family member who died during all this, albeit other halves family. Cried so many tears re this. -Didn't work from Sept -Nov, applied to carers job as nothing else , got covid instead. Very bad. Had to look after adhd son and poorly df with covid and diabetes which got worse. -Oh got covid and nearly died of pneumonia . He isn't working due to health issues which are many . He is ok thank god. -Not had enough money for food /clothing bit did few days work with old agency. -Worked as covid tester for 3 months then got laid off again -Now got work despite everything . 13 people in the,warehouse I was working in weren't so lucky. So, whilst Wales sounds awful, tourists sound hardly ideal, please count your blessings that at least you still have work , rather than the reality for many, of which I was one, who this pandemic has destroyed their lives. I'm lucky, I'm persistent, and I'm clever and I keep trying but for some it's not that easy.

@znaika I’m a little 😱 at your post. It’s pretty vile tbh. The utter vitriol being poured out towards londoners on here is something else.

Aside from that, do you ever holiday? Have you ever holidayed? Or do you never leave your local county?

For everyone else frothing at how horrific their summers have been, what is your solution? What would you suggest happens? Because the last time I looked, this is demand/ supply/ basic economics.

For those who say ‘well it’s not your back garden people are traipsing over’. Really? Go to any part of central London and you can pretty much guarantee stepping on a tourist the minute you leave your flat/ house. Try going to London when there is rugby on at twickers. Or matches at lords. Or matches at Wembley. Or racing at ascot. Or concerts at the O2. Or non stop concerts at hyde park. The infrastructure cannot handle the volumes.

What do londoners do? They plan around it. Or just queue. Or not move their cars. Or go different routes. We don’t sit here and bemoan how shit our lives are because ‘out of towners’ are clogging our tubes/ trains/ pubs up.

And if you want to see poor behaviour, look at some of the police presence that time and again has to be deployed when visiting teams play London teams. A portion of our council tax goes towards paying that cost. We also pay towards cleaning up the mess left as the hordes depart. Again, do you see Londoners on here up in arms? No. We just learn to avoid match days and get on with life.

Nb. Is now the time to say we’ll see you all in October half term?

What's a special Cornwall wardrobe specially for clicking fingers at fishermen

Oh and don’t get me started on hotel costs in central London as a result of the bloody tourists. I mean those bloody tourists push the prices up sooo much.

You do also realise that a lot of ‘tourists’ own ‘second homes’ in London don’t you? Pushing property prices up here and pricing out locals.

You’re not unique in your situations. Yet Londoners beat the brunt? Astonishing

@crummyfunnymummy.
No not all tourists are, you did get some who are nice, but unfortunately. It seems a lot get it into their heads, that they are on holiday, so they can be as arrogant as they want, as they will not see you again. It's a lot like trolls, on social media. Hiding behind their screens.

@sassbott friend is a commercial surveyor in Manchester. He sold an entire block of flats off plan to overseas investors. It's nationwide the buying up of businesses and accommodation. In our small town they've bought up two businesses, in the nearby village three businesses all inside six months. A consortium who have never visited but use a front man.

We've never seen anything like it

Nothing about my post is offensive unless you're an obnoxious twat who thinks the residents of the SW and Wales should be grateful for you coming down to shit in their bins, puke in their front gardens, nick their flower pots, call their kids cunts and swear at shop keepers in return for a few quid.
As has been said before many tourists are great but there have been so many arseholes this year it has been unbearable for people who live in small coastal towns and villages, there simply isn't the infrastructure and after a while it becomes unpleasant for all involved. It's not a uniquely British thing either- see Venice, Dubrovnik, protests in Barcelona. Mass tourism as it stands is shit, and needs a massive rethink, not just for the environmental impact but the cultural one, Londoners who insist they have it bad have no idea.

@User56439876

What's a special Cornwall wardrobe specially for clicking fingers at fishermen

something from Seasalt and Joules, apparently different to what is worn in the South of France or Tuscany :)

@znaika 😂😂😂.

Typical. More spouting of gibberish and no answer to direct questions.

@justasking111 article this weekend in the Times. About how Lloyds and other banks are moving into the property market also and buying huge chunks of developments off blueprint. Causing even more issues for first time buyers/ locals in certain towns. INCLUDING LONDON.

Yes, some of the divisiveness and seeing everything in black and white on this thread by those living in rural tourist spots is crazy.

Does no one in Wales ever leave and become a tourist in Cornwall London, Scotland etc? Is tourism only bad when the tourists come to where you live, and not the other way round?

And the false dichotomy between those amazingly civilised people who have always holidayed in the UK versus those Spanish package holiday louts?? Most people I know do a mix of both - we’d usually have a week in eg Spain (all-inclusive package holiday) and a few days in eg Cornwall or North Norfolk.

As a poster says above we Londoners generally get on with it. At the Euro football match a few months ago lots of Scottish people came down - no doubt some brought covid, policing cost money, littering etc but that’s just how it is. I’m always bemused when people focus on tourists ‘bringing covid to Cornwall’ etc, when the reality is it’s very much a two way street. I’m sure some people from Cornwall have traveled to London as tourists or for business and have ‘brought Covid there’. But to think in those kind of terms would - for me - just be weird. I just don’t have that kind of mentality.

Being priced out of London is another issue entirely. It's shit, I sympathise. Again this is a universal problem. very few Western countries don't experience this issue

But when it comes to tourist it is not really such an issue in London. I lived there for a very long time. Londoners always have other options , the fact that you think people in Cornwall have other routes to go to work when the roads are blocked demonstrates how clueless you are.

I can’t wait to take my money abroad again. No more South England business owners to pretend they don’t understand my Scottish accent and no more amateur landlords with their overpriced uncomfortable accommodation. Never again…

HavfrueDenizKisi
London is urban and the tourists that visit will be largely urban or suburban too. So the only issue is coping with capacity.

Cornwall and Wales tourist areas are largely rural possibly suburban in small part. A ton of urban visitors that do things differently is the issue, They leave litter( someone else cleans up), expect the same food and drink service as you get in a city and assume that having a lovely afternoon bike ride has a much right as a working tractor work in country lane.

If all the visitors to London were rural visitors bringing their rural values : dogs off the leads , children used to roaming free ,climbing , jumping in any water,, the assumption they can kill any rat they see , flasks and picnics rather than overpriced coffee shops ; then watch the Londoners kick off.

[quote sassbott]@justasking111 article this weekend in the Times. About how Lloyds and other banks are moving into the property market also and buying huge chunks of developments off blueprint. Causing even more issues for first time buyers/ locals in certain towns. INCLUDING LONDON.

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There's so much money sloshing around worldwide bricks and mortar are attractive.

The five businesses here they're using interior designers and marketing teams. So we're getting very upmarket here.

A wine bar
Caribbean restaurant
Seafood restaurant
Bistro
Whisky off licence

@sassbott it's also in the Guardian 😊

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/19/lloyds-plans-big-move-into-uk-rental-market-with-50000-homes

I think the point here is that many many tourists are lovely people enjoying a holiday and it’s offensive to be lumped together as though all tourists are wankers. Some tourists are wankers just as some people are wankers. Please don’t tar us all with the same brush. Why not just complain that you’ve experienced some really awful behaviour this Summer?