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Laurence Fox causing scaremonging and false information over Covid jabs

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Suetully · 28/08/2021 10:59

He stated he is ''‘Following the tragic death of BBC journalist Lisa Shaw from vaccine-related complications, and the unending lies about the efficacy and safety of the vaccine, I will not be sending my children to school until I have received a cast-iron guarantee that my children will not be vaccinated without the consent of both parents for a disease that has negligible chance of serious illness to them.‘We are in the middle of a mass delusion and it is time for people to wake up. Children’s lives are at risk.

‘However, I fully support the provision of vaccination for children in vulnerable groups with fully informed parental consent.’

A Department of Health spokesman said: ‘No decisions have been made on vaccinating 12 to 15-year-olds and it is inaccurate to suggest otherwise. Ministers have not yet received further advice from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation on this cohort.’

Now AIBU to be angry that he is misleading the public into thinking that the schools/govt are going to start vaccinating the kids without consent as nowhere was this ever stated as fact. And the govt have issues statements online to counteract the false reports online that this was not the case for under 16s and that the laws have not changed. Yet he is spreading false information rather than doing his research.

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hamstersarse · 28/08/2021 12:56

[quote conkersarebonkers]In Scotland, secondary age children (so age 12+) can give consent in school for a vaccination even if their parents have not consented.

"Secondary school pupils may be vaccinated after giving their own consent following discussion with the vaccinator, even if their consent form is not returned. Secondary school pupils should be encouraged to talk to their parent or carer about getting the flu vaccine. It’s a decision they should make together. "

www.publichealthscotland.scot/our-areas-of-work/immunisations/flu-immunisations/school-education-resources/consent-for-school-immunisations/[/quote]
So is this still fake news @Suetully?

x2boys · 28/08/2021 13:01

[quote conkersarebonkers]In Scotland, secondary age children (so age 12+) can give consent in school for a vaccination even if their parents have not consented.

"Secondary school pupils may be vaccinated after giving their own consent following discussion with the vaccinator, even if their consent form is not returned. Secondary school pupils should be encouraged to talk to their parent or carer about getting the flu vaccine. It’s a decision they should make together. "

www.publichealthscotland.scot/our-areas-of-work/immunisations/flu-immunisations/school-education-resources/consent-for-school-immunisations/[/quote]
Surely thats different though, if a child aged 12+is deemed capable of making their own decision about wether to accept the vaccine or not their decision should be respected.

hamstersarse · 28/08/2021 13:02

@x2boys

12 year old consent?
Wow, I’m truly horrified that you think that’s ok

JamSconeCat · 28/08/2021 13:04

wait, someone cares what he thinks? I think something fucked with his self esteem at a tender age haha.

x2boys · 28/08/2021 13:05

It would depend non the 12 yr old, but if scotland seems to think its ok, are you truely horriefied about Scotland rather than me as an indivdual?

Nancydrawn · 28/08/2021 13:06

I think the key phrase in that nonsense is "both parents," by which I assume he means he wants to be able to turn down the vaccine even if BP consents to his kids having it.

I am so furious that he's destroyed Hathaway for me.

hamstersarse · 28/08/2021 13:08

@x2boys

It would depend non the 12 yr old, but if scotland seems to think its ok, are you truely horriefied about Scotland rather than me as an indivdual?
Are you happy for 12 year olds to consent to any medical treatment, or is it just COVID vaccines?

What about cigarettes? Alcohol? Sex?

Presumably you are happy with that too?

Gimlisaxe · 28/08/2021 13:12

To steal a line I once saw, he is the waitrose Tommy Robinson.

He got trending on twitter the other day and heis trying to make sure he still stays relevant.

I feel sorry for his kids, who are now being dragged into this.

x2boys · 28/08/2021 13:13

You are just spoiling for a fight @hamsterarse, however in answer to your question, you can have capacity to consent in some areas and not others, so the average 12 has lived through nearly two years of disruption to their education, most will be fully aware of covid and will have heard of the vaccine,, very different to sex and alcohol,.

Nancydrawn · 28/08/2021 13:16

@Nancydrawn

I think the key phrase in that nonsense is "both parents," by which I assume he means he wants to be able to turn down the vaccine even if BP consents to his kids having it.

I am so furious that he's destroyed Hathaway for me.

their kids I should have said. (obviously.)
okeydokeywokeyblokey · 28/08/2021 13:16

@Suetully

''And he’s perfectly entitled to his opinion

I really despair that supposed actual adults seem totally incapable of tolerating a view which is the opposite of their own. ''

you are missing the point, the point he is saying his kids aren't safe at school and he will remove them cos they will get vaccinated when vaccinations can't happen without parent consent for under 16s. It's not his ''opinion'', it's the false information.

You say it can't happen without parental consent. Be honest and say it shouldn't happen. There's a big difference.
Mrsjayy · 28/08/2021 13:16

Scottish school children are sent consent forms home for vaccine they are not immunised without them they can consent through another adult though

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Suetully · 28/08/2021 13:17

''You say it can't happen without parental consent. Be honest and say it shouldn't happen. There's a big difference.''

ok so in England,his country where his children attend primary school, where is it allowed that they would be allowed without consent?

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hamstersarse · 28/08/2021 13:18

@x2boys

You are just spoiling for a fight *@hamsterarse*, however in answer to your question, you can have capacity to consent in some areas and not others, so the average 12 has lived through nearly two years of disruption to their education, most will be fully aware of covid and will have heard of the vaccine,, very different to sex and alcohol,.
I think it’s probably something worth fighting over.

You can’t say it’s different, you set precedents, you break boundaries with this.

When you do something like this you shift the entire relationship between citizen and government, forever.

What comes next that 12 year olds can consent to without parental consent?
All these teens who feel they are transgender and want to cut off their sexual organs:…ok without parental consent aged 12?

The reality is, most people are happy with this huge shift in government power because of selfish reasons. They want to ‘be safe’
But stop for at least one second and think of the power you are handing to the government over your children

millymollymoomoo · 28/08/2021 13:20

The issue is one of consent not pro or anti vac

My kids fall into the 12-15 ages range. They are not able to take paracetamol at school without my consent, they cannot go offsite without my consent, I have to give consent to allow them to watch certain videos in school , literally everything requires parental consent, but all of a sudden 12 year olds are deemed competent to consent to a vaccine (which carries risk) and possible long term side effects which are unknown ( and no one who says they’re safe know the long term impacts) and let’s face it will probably face a level of coercion and pressure to have it while at school.
That is completely unacceptable whether or not you agree this age range should be offered it

It must remain parental choice

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Suetully · 28/08/2021 13:21

''It must remain parental choice''

and it very much is in England. That's my point.

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CallMeNutribullet · 28/08/2021 13:22

He's such a cock

hamstersarse · 28/08/2021 13:23

@Suetully

''It must remain parental choice''

and it very much is in England. That's my point.

That hasn’t been confirmed though has it? They haven’t confirmed one way or the other That’s the point about people like LF talking about it yet you want to censor that discussion?

Totally ridiculous

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Suetully · 28/08/2021 13:25

''So is this still fake news @Suetully?''

But I am talking about England and so was Fox, his kids are not under Scottish law, they live in England! Scotland and England are 2 different countries in case you didn't know?

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hamstersarse · 28/08/2021 13:27

Ok, so do you agree with what Scotland are doing? @Suetully

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Suetully · 28/08/2021 13:27

''That hasn’t been confirmed though has it? They haven’t confirmed one way or the other''

under English law it is very much conformed as it's set on stone that kids under 16 needs parental consent. My point, for the zillionth time, is that Fox is leading people to think this has being changed when it very much has not and only had speculation online which means fuck all.

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hamstersarse · 28/08/2021 13:28

And also, where is the confirmation that this won’t be the case in England? @Suetully

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Suetully · 28/08/2021 13:28

''Ok, so do you agree with what Scotland are doing? @Suetully''

my view isn't relevant at all to this thread on what I think over it. But it's about the spreading of false information.

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CorrBlimeyGG · 28/08/2021 13:29

You can’t say it’s different, you set precedents, you break boundaries with this.

Precedent is context specific, so your different scenarios most definitely are different.

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Suetully · 28/08/2021 13:29

''You are just spoiling for a fight @hamsterarse, ''

yup don't feed the troll x

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