To not understand why we have now got rid of isolation for household members?

[AlexaShutUp]

Sorry if there is already a thread on this, but isn't it a bit crazy to be sending children into school when their parents and/or siblings have tested positive for covid?

I totally get that the pinging was getting too much and I am OK with a lot of rules being relaxed as we have to get back to some kind of normality at some stage, but surely it isn't unreasonable for members of the same household to carry on isolating. Isn't it going to spread like wildfire as soon as schools open up?

It just seems crazy...

What's crazy is the country remaining in a state of semi lockdown when the majority are fully vaccinated. If you're ill - stay home. If you're not ill - go to work/school/uni etc.

I'm hoping they do t start bubbles again.

I'm sure both of my kids have already had it
And I think I've got it right now- I'm double jabbed - waiting on a test result.

I think we need to start to learn to live with it.

@Marcee

I'm hoping they do t start bubbles again.

I'm sure both of my kids have already had it
And I think I've got it right now- I'm double jabbed - waiting on a test result.

I think we need to start to learn to live with it.

Dont

I think the return of kids to school is going to see the delta variant spread like wildfire honestly. Two positive cases in my household and been told to return to work as I have a negative LFT and no symptoms..yet. It just seems crazy to me.

What does it mean when people say learn to live with it? For me, that means things mostly getting back to normal but still taking sensible precautions like isolating household members. For some people, learning to live with it seems to mean pretending that the virus no longer exists?

Do you stay off work if someone in your house has a sickness bug (but you are otherwise well?) Or if your child has chicken pox does everyone stay home?

DD is back in school this week and we already know that at least one of her classmates has covid at home. I am not very happy with that but I guess we just have to accept it. 🤷

@SuperCaliFragalistic

Do you stay off work if someone in your house has a sickness bug (but you are otherwise well?) Or if your child has chicken pox does everyone stay home?

I certainly wouldn't go into the office if others in my household had norovirus or similar... that would be incredibly selfish.

@SuperCaliFragalistic I get that, and you're right absolutely...but people don't die from sickness bugs. I just really worry about all the unvaccinated/immunosuppressed people that are at risk still.

What were the vaccines for then?

I think it's mad too, fortunately my employer ( healthcare ) insists on working from home / time off for household contacts, I have been wfh since 14th when first 1 daughter then another and now me ( today) has tested positive. I could have infected my whole team in that time ... with significant impact to our essential service.

A lot of schools are keeping bubbles for this reason to limit the impact instead of being reactive to try and keep the schools open and limit the spread.

While it will spread like wildfire when they go back and most teachers are vaccinated the problem comes if the teachers in a school all get it then the school will close and there will be no online learning.

Plus there are many vulnerable children in schools who will be at huge risk and there are no provisions in place for them. I likely see a child in my class not come in all year again.

There is no back up plan by the DfE yet such as money for supply aside from sharing a CO2 monitor between classes however it still is only early with it being a week to go, it'll be posted on the 31st August at 10pm just in time.

No point having our jabs then?

@AlexaShutUp

What does it mean when people say learn to live with it? For me, that means things mostly getting back to normal but still taking sensible precautions like isolating household members. For some people, learning to live with it seems to mean pretending that the virus no longer exists?

Exactly this. And yet the new guidelines prevent sensible isolation when it's clear to me that it should still be in place if you have positive household members.

@AlexaShutUp

What does it mean when people say learn to live with it? For me, that means things mostly getting back to normal but still taking sensible precautions like isolating household members. For some people, learning to live with it seems to mean pretending that the virus no longer exists?

Quite. And in doing so completely disregarding the safety of those who literally can’t live with it. I’d rather live with some precautions so others can live with a little less fear. Opening up for most means complete lock down for some.

@AlexaShutUp

What does it mean when people say learn to live with it? For me, that means things mostly getting back to normal but still taking sensible precautions like isolating household members. For some people, learning to live with it seems to mean pretending that the virus no longer exists?

For me that means back to completely normal pre Covid times.

I’d rather live with some precautions so others can live with a little less fear.

Totally agree.

@AlexaShutUp

What does it mean when people say learn to live with it? For me, that means things mostly getting back to normal but still taking sensible precautions like isolating household members. For some people, learning to live with it seems to mean pretending that the virus no longer exists?

For me, learn to live with it means, live life without fear (ie no restrictions at all), but at the same time be careful (sanitizing to reduce/kill viruses).

I'm double jabbed but at the point now I'd rather catch covid and get it over and done with.

@SuperCaliFragalistic

Do you stay off work if someone in your house has a sickness bug (but you are otherwise well?) Or if your child has chicken pox does everyone stay home?

Exactly this. We have to treat Covid in the same way. People are vaccinated now. This is as good as it gets so just get on with life and stop stressing about it

""Do you stay off work if someone in your house has a sickness bug (but you are otherwise well?) Or if your child has chicken pox does everyone stay home?""

Most sickness bugs are not airborne ( with the obvious exception) and rarely land unvaccinated people in hospital in the numbers that Covid does.

There is also beginning to be evidence that the effectiveness of the vaccine wanes after time, I had my first dose on the second of Jan and second in March and am sick now

@Fairyfalls

No point having our jabs then?

It doesn’t 100% prevent people from getting the virus or spreading it. It reduces how ill they’ll get. No primary aged children (plus many secondary kids) have been vaccinated. Some people can’t be vaccinated. Some people won’t be vaccinated - putting those who haven’t yet been or can’t be vaccinated at more risk. There is still the risk of those people becoming very ill and/or suffering with long covid. This isn’t anywhere near over yet.

If you're ill - stay home

That only works when there isn't a culture of presentee-ism like we have in the UK. The sick won't stay home, they'll load up on painkillers and drag themselves into school/work where they'll cough and splutter all over everything until someone in authority insists that they go home, only then will they allow themselves to be ill because its been properly observed and verified that they're a good little martyr.

Look at how fast sick bugs, nits, and chickenpox can spread through a school. I hope I'm wrong but I give it until October half term before bubbles and masks are reintroduced due to high levels of pupil and staff absence.

I don’t come to work ill because I’m ‘a good little martyr’.

I go to work when I’m ill because I don’t get paid otherwise, and statutory sick pay is a joke.

HalzTangz

For me, learn to live with it means, live life without fear (ie no restrictions at all), but at the same time be careful (sanitizing to reduce/kill viruses).

But masks aren’t to do with fear. They’re as sensible, if not more sensible than sanitising. If you’re happy to sanitise why not wear a mask and have distancing in place in certain a settings? Sanitiser doesn’t prevent airborne transmission.

@SuperCaliFragalistic

Do you stay off work if someone in your house has a sickness bug (but you are otherwise well?) Or if your child has chicken pox does everyone stay home?

This.

That’s what learning to live with it means OP, treating it like any other virus now that vaccinations will prevent the majority of life threatening cases.