To not understand why we have now got rid of isolation for household members?

[AlexaShutUp]

Sorry if there is already a thread on this, but isn't it a bit crazy to be sending children into school when their parents and/or siblings have tested positive for covid?

I totally get that the pinging was getting too much and I am OK with a lot of rules being relaxed as we have to get back to some kind of normality at some stage, but surely it isn't unreasonable for members of the same household to carry on isolating. Isn't it going to spread like wildfire as soon as schools open up?

It just seems crazy...

I think they want it to spread now while most people have some coverage from the vaccine to gain some extra protection for this winter.

@Alexashutup Sorry I read it wrong I thought you was saying child was at home with covid not a family member at home. Yes I agree I think if households should still isolate if 1 member has it.

Or so that if/when they need to reintroduce restrictions over the winter they can blame it on people being reckless now - Boris fucking Johnson wibbling on TV that "we told you all to be cautious..."

[quote Lou98]@Sweettea1 as she explained, it's not the child that has covid. Someone in the child's household has covid but the child is allowed to go to school under these rules and is in her DDs class[/quote]
Yes, that's what I'm trying to say, thank you.

Fwiw, I'm not criticising the child's family as they are just following the new rules. I just don't agree with the rules.

[quote Sweettea1]@Alexashutup Sorry I read it wrong I thought you was saying child was at home with covid not a family member at home. Yes I agree I think if households should still isolate if 1 member has it.[/quote]
So we agree. 👍

@AlexaShutUp

What does it mean when people say learn to live with it? For me, that means things mostly getting back to normal but still taking sensible precautions like isolating household members. For some people, learning to live with it seems to mean pretending that the virus no longer exists?

Yeah, that's exactly what it means to people, unfortunately.

This pandemic has really changed the way I view other people.

It makes no sense whatsoever that an unvaccinated 17 year old does not have to isolate after contact, but a single vaccinated and recent Covid patient (like DD19) would still have to isolate after contact until they've been able to get her second jab.
The rules have got so piecemeal and tangled as they've evolved that they make no sense anymore, to anyone with half a brain.

Wading in here with my CEV perspective (just undergone 6 months of very gruelling chemo for lymphoma and just out of a month in hospital for a stem cell transplant, which destroyed my immune system with extremely strong chemo and made me grow a new one from scratch like a newborn). I have probably no immunity despite being double jabbed; if I caught covid in my very weakened condition it could easily carry me off. I'm a mother of two age 5 and 7, and in a couple of weeks I have to send my kids back to school knowing all safeguards are gone. I can shield (at the expense of my income and my MH, for how long?) but I can't avoid the possibility of my kids catching it at school and bringing it home to me and landing me in hospital or worse.

How do I 'learn to live with it' please, if no one is willing to make any concessions for the the fact that we still have very high rates of an endemic airborne virus which exhibits nearly 100% transmission rate between household contacts?

@Babamamananarama sorry you've had such a shit time but if you have no immunity, are you not worried about other viruses that your DC could bring home?

We are just waiting on PCR tests. My husband did a LFT last night which was positive mine was negative and I have symptoms but have done a PCR as I work with CEV children.
Got annual leave starting Monday to take our child on a family holiday poor child has been in holiday club all summer a needs a holiday before starting back at school. If im negative and my husband is positive my son and I will go to our self contained accommodation and he can join us later.

Ill LFT each day.

You honestly don't understand the reasons why we need to get rid of isolation for people who aren't sick? Okaaaaay then.....

(Though I suspect this OP is posting with faux naivety as they are a regular poster on the covid boards..)

Again,
So many selfish people on here!

YANBU

I've tested positive, DH negative on PCRs, when we both had positive LFTs. I don't think he puts the swab far enough. I'm worried about him returning to work. I think the isolation should continue for household members. Even if they weren't positive at the time, they are likely to catch it!

A recent ONS survey showed that over 90
per cent of adults have antibodies to Covid here. So it isn’t a novel virus anymore in our population. It may be better for it to circulate “mildly” continuously as a natural booster in the population. I don’t know how many children have antibodies already/some immunity but it is probably much higher than one would assume.
I think all CEV adults and children should be tested regularly (if they want) to check what immunity they may or may not have and be protected by eg employment laws if they need to shield.

@Babamamananarama

Wading in here with my CEV perspective (just undergone 6 months of very gruelling chemo for lymphoma and just out of a month in hospital for a stem cell transplant, which destroyed my immune system with extremely strong chemo and made me grow a new one from scratch like a newborn). I have probably no immunity despite being double jabbed; if I caught covid in my very weakened condition it could easily carry me off. I'm a mother of two age 5 and 7, and in a couple of weeks I have to send my kids back to school knowing all safeguards are gone. I can shield (at the expense of my income and my MH, for how long?) but I can't avoid the possibility of my kids catching it at school and bringing it home to me and landing me in hospital or worse.

How do I 'learn to live with it' please, if no one is willing to make any concessions for the the fact that we still have very high rates of an endemic airborne virus which exhibits nearly 100% transmission rate between household contacts?

Not sure where you live, but in many places, online instruction is an option for children. Homeschooling is also an option in the UK. You have the ability to control who your children spend time with. If you choose to allow them near others whose covid status you can't determine, you're choosing to accept a certain level of risk by doing that. I wouldn't do it if I were you, but the choice is yours.

Her consultant rang me this week to inform me that if she has them we need to go directly to the hospital where they are based (15 miles away) rather than the nearest A&E (2 miles away) because they won't have capacity for her at A&E.

You realise many people dont live within 15miles of any a&e?

But masks aren’t to do with fear. They’re as sensible, if not more sensible than sanitising. If you’re happy to sanitise why not wear a mask and have distancing in place in certain a settings? Sanitiser doesn’t prevent airborne transmission

Neither do masks, at least the kind most ppl wear

My dcs are due back to school in 4 hours - youngest has woken up with a temp and there is no way I'm going to send my eldest in today. We have PCR tests booked for 8am and hopefully they will be negative but for me, it's not worth the risk of infecting a whole class on their first day back. Will be interested to see what school say when I phone as in theory the eldest should go in but they have spent the last six weeks together practically all day every day so if the youngest has got it then the eldest has at least been exposed. DH will still need to go to work as he's on the exempt list due to occupation but I wouldn't be over the moon if I was one of his colleagues!

OP I absolutely agree that it’s madness and likely to cause much more disruption as sill spread like wildfire, especially in schools. Living with it should not mean abanding all sensible precautions designed to protect human life.

For every other health risk we take appropriate steps to reduce the risk. Why not Covid? We wear seatbelts in cars, helmets on bikes, condoms to prevent HIV, vaccines to prevent other diseases, nets to prevent malaria etc. Yet Covid has become so politicised (with some very well funded disinformation campaigns) that we have ended up in this very dangerous position.

Isolation for household contacts should definitely still be in place as should masks in busy indoor areas (including schools). As a family we are still masking indoors and the kids will still be wearing them in school. Since Delta we have also upgraded our masks to N95/FPP2 masks. We still live our lives to the full we just take precautions.

@AlexaShutUp

I’d rather live with some precautions so others can live with a little less fear.

Totally agree.

This isn’t how our society works though - We have to cater to the needs of the (non-vulnerable) majority.

It’s pretty entitled to expect the majority of people to accept limitations on their freedom to accommodate you, when you are in the minority.

I’d totally support vulnerable individuals in any efforts they may wish to take to shield themselves/their families, but not if it means restricting the civil liberties of the majority.

My friend and her family have tested positive, all double jabbed. We were in close proximity with them but we don't have to self isolate? We will be, i'd hate to carry on as normal and spread it around.

I think less people would bother getting vaccinated if they see that you still have to isolate despite being double jabbed.

I have a friend on Facebook who is CEV. She posts daily begging people not to gather in large groups, to still wear masks when out and about, not to go abroad, "just because you can doesn't mean you should" its a pita and I've unfollowed her.

I think it’s madness. But I work in a hospital and we still have to isolate for household contacts.

I’m a teacher and come start of term there will be no ‘Covid secure’ measures in place, just the ‘back to school’ LFT (if parents consent).

On the flip side will parents be happy knowing I will be teaching their child (and hundreds other) with positive contacts at home? (I have 2 primary DS and a teacher DH) I could be a ‘super spreader’!

The director of PHE for my area has requested people still wears masks in enclosed spaces. Socially distance and take regular tests, as a 1000 people tested positive last week in my area. All the things I can not do in school.