To not understand why we have now got rid of isolation for household members?

[AlexaShutUp]

Sorry if there is already a thread on this, but isn't it a bit crazy to be sending children into school when their parents and/or siblings have tested positive for covid?

I totally get that the pinging was getting too much and I am OK with a lot of rules being relaxed as we have to get back to some kind of normality at some stage, but surely it isn't unreasonable for members of the same household to carry on isolating. Isn't it going to spread like wildfire as soon as schools open up?

It just seems crazy...

Because when the majority are double vaccinated, the "norm" is going to be that we need to expect to catch Covid multiple times in our lifetime but not get severely ill with it, like the flu or a cold.
What the vaccine has achieved is to get rid of the first more severe infection where our immune system didnt recognise it. Now our immunity will be regularly topped up by constant exposure.

I'm quite keen for my children (and me, I'm double jabbed so unlikely to get severely ill) to catch it actually, and get some immunity before winter.

Awalkintime eventually it will be like any other cough/ cold,teachers will exercise normal judgement as to whether they are well enough to work, many will be symptomless or only experience mild symptoms.

I'm really worried about this. We live in a city where take up of the FIRST jab is only around 65%. Its going to spread like wildfire as soon as they're back.

Makes no sense.
My parents provided childcare for me on Tuesday afternoon. My dad felt rough later that night when he got home, so tested himself - came up positive. According to the rules we don’t need to do anything unless someone develops symptoms?! I’ve got a cupboard full of lateral flow tests, so I tested everyone yesterday and all negative, but now I’m on tenterhooks looking for symptoms

Motherrunner
On the flip side will parents be happy knowing I will be teaching their child (and hundreds other) with positive contacts at home? (I have 2 primary DS and a teacher DH) I could be a ‘super spreader’!

Yes I'll be fine with that? In the same way that I didnt expect my sons nursery to close just because my daughter had to be ventilated with RSV (picked up from her brother who picked it up at nursery) because in most it is not a serious illness.

I guess what people really mean when they say that we have to learn to live with it is that others must learn to accept the risk so that they can carry on with their lives without disruption

Please don’t play this card. It’s is perfectly easy to turn this on its head and say those people who are calling for restrictions are asking others to make unreasonable/ unprecedented sacrifices in their lives to satisfy their own (arguably irrational/ subjective) personal levels of comfortability /priorities/ perception of risk/ ideas about covid. Everyone has been forced to do so for the last 18 months (regardless of their own choices/ feelings/ priorities) at enormous personal and social cost. Please stop.

Those who advocate for learning to live with it at this stage, want society to be able to treat covid like any other infectious virus we all live with. We have vaccines, tests, hospital treatments , hygiene standards, and public health education. Obviously anyone ill/ symptomatic/ covid positive should stay home until they recover (like they would for any other contagious virus- eg chicken pox). Otherwise people need to be allowed to live their lives and children need to be allowed to go to school.

@Bizawit

I guess what people really mean when they say that we have to learn to live with it is that others must learn to accept the risk so that they can carry on with their lives without disruption

Please don’t play this card. It’s is perfectly easy to turn this on its head and say those people who are calling for restrictions are asking others to make unreasonable/ unprecedented sacrifices in their lives to satisfy their own (arguably irrational/ subjective) personal levels of comfortability /priorities/ perception of risk/ ideas about covid. Everyone has been forced to do so for the last 18 months (regardless of their own choices/ feelings/ priorities) at enormous personal and social cost. Please stop.

Those who advocate for learning to live with it at this stage, want society to be able to treat covid like any other infectious virus we all live with. We have vaccines, tests, hospital treatments , hygiene standards, and public health education. Obviously anyone ill/ symptomatic/ covid positive should stay home until they recover (like they would for any other contagious virus- eg chicken pox). Otherwise people need to be allowed to live their lives and children need to be allowed to go to school.

But it isn’t like a cold. Have you missed all the people needing intensive care and long covid?

Honestly, people have very short memories.

@Awalkintime

Bizawit So you mean parents should send their kids into school with it because that is what most of them do with colds/flu/sickness?

I’m saying that we should treat covid like any other infectious illness we all live with. If your child has flu/ chicken pox etc., of course don’t send them to school.

But you don’t isolate the whole household just because one member has a virus, if the others are well.

(Note, It is still recommended to get a PCR test for all members of the household of one person is sick. If that is positive then isolation is still required. It is also still required for any adults who aren’t double vaccinated. So we still have extra/ exceptional provisions for covid. There needs to be a limit/ balance drawn somewhere at some point).

Bizawat
But they don't stay home with other contagious viruses - they tell their kids to lie so they can come in school and spread it so they won't with this. We already had one who did this and sent him into school positive and it caused the school to close.

NoIdontWatchLoveIsland - That is a long way off and so until then we just close the schools when the teachers get ill with it?

@Iggly now that we have vaccinations covid is comparable to flu.
Long covid is not well evidenced/ understood, although post viral fatigue is a recognised risk with any virus.
Perspectives on this virus and how we deal with it (especially at this stage) are contested and varied, including within the scientific community.
When it comes to how we balance risk of covid against other priorities/ values (like education) that’s an even more contested question. You must recognise this.

Iggly
When we had cases in our school it caused 3 members of the same family to end up ventilated. They are still requiring their arses being wiped now. People conveniently ignore those facts and gaslight people who remind them.

Need to stop counting cases & only count severely ill with covid people (where covid is a main reason they are in hospital).

We will end up in place where covid is just another form of common cold.

@Awalkintime

GreenWillow Perfect there will be no issue when the teachers get sick then! The kids can still come in right? With no teacher?

Why would they be sick?

Only 2.2m people in the UK are CEV and the vast majority of them are over retirement age.

For the vast majority of cases in the under 65s, covid symptoms would not be severe enough to miss work.

It is the government’s isolation policy that is the cause of staff absence, not clinical symptoms.

@Awalkintime

Bizawat But they don't stay home with other contagious viruses - they tell their kids to lie so they can come in school and spread it so they won't with this. We already had one who did this and sent him into school positive and it caused the school to close.

NoIdontWatchLoveIsland - That is a long way off and so until then we just close the schools when the teachers get ill with it?

Umm ok. Well I don’t support that and it’s not the subject that we were called to debate on this thread. The topic wasn’t “aibu to send my child to school even though they are symptomatic / covid positive”. I think responses would be a lot more unanimous if it were so..

@lljkk

Need to stop counting cases & only count severely ill with covid people (where covid is a main reason they are in hospital).

We will end up in place where covid is just another form of common cold.

55% of people ‘hospitalised with covid’ I’m fact were admitted for non-covid reasons, but acquired the infection whilst already in hospital.

It's not crazy , if people test negative then they haven't got it. Not everyone catches it, even in close proximity and especially if they are vaccinated. What is crazy is healthy people at home unable to earn money or continue with their education.

I agree the pinging was madness and also agree that seems mad for the same household to not Isolate.

I’m more anxious about returning to school now than I was after Christmas

But it isn’t like a cold. Have you missed all the people needing intensive care and long covid?

Those were mainly initial unvaccinated infections. For the vast majority of people, it is like a cold. Now, already.

You do realise lots of these mild viruses can land vulnerable people in hospital, seriously ill?

My daughters been seriously ill with RSV and with a common adenovirus. I guarantee you, you or your family have likely been out spreading both those for your whole lives. I dont expect the world to shut down to stop those spreading because my child was in the unlikely minority to be severely ill.

@Awalkintime

Iggly When we had cases in our school it caused 3 members of the same family to end up ventilated. They are still requiring their arses being wiped now. People conveniently ignore those facts and gaslight people who remind them.

Exactly. People are absolutely narrow minded or have the memory of a pigeon.

@Bizawit

I guess what people really mean when they say that we have to learn to live with it is that others must learn to accept the risk so that they can carry on with their lives without disruption

Please don’t play this card. It’s is perfectly easy to turn this on its head and say those people who are calling for restrictions are asking others to make unreasonable/ unprecedented sacrifices in their lives to satisfy their own (arguably irrational/ subjective) personal levels of comfortability /priorities/ perception of risk/ ideas about covid. Everyone has been forced to do so for the last 18 months (regardless of their own choices/ feelings/ priorities) at enormous personal and social cost. Please stop.

Those who advocate for learning to live with it at this stage, want society to be able to treat covid like any other infectious virus we all live with. We have vaccines, tests, hospital treatments , hygiene standards, and public health education. Obviously anyone ill/ symptomatic/ covid positive should stay home until they recover (like they would for any other contagious virus- eg chicken pox). Otherwise people need to be allowed to live their lives and children need to be allowed to go to school.

Amen to this 🙌

Need to stop counting cases & only count severely ill with covid people (where covid is a main reason they are in hospital).

This. I don't care about loads of low/no symptom cases and we shouldn't. What matters is severe infection.

@NoIDontWatchLoveIsland

But it isn’t like a cold. Have you missed all the people needing intensive care and long covid?

Those were mainly initial unvaccinated infections. For the vast majority of people, it is like a cold. Now, already.

You do realise lots of these mild viruses can land vulnerable people in hospital, seriously ill?

My daughters been seriously ill with RSV and with a common adenovirus. I guarantee you, you or your family have likely been out spreading both those for your whole lives. I dont expect the world to shut down to stop those spreading because my child was in the unlikely minority to be severely ill.

Vaccine protection is wearing off, people with vaccines are still getting very ill and vaccines aren’t 100% effective.

The nhs has been underfunded and cannot cope. So, unless that is sorted, we will keep ending up back in lockdowns.

I doubt this will be the last pandemic we have!

@NoIDontWatchLoveIsland

Need to stop counting cases & only count severely ill with covid people (where covid is a main reason they are in hospital).

This. I don't care about loads of low/no symptom cases and we shouldn't. What matters is severe infection.

What makes you think they’re counting for you?

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

It's not crazy , if people test negative then they haven't got it. Not everyone catches it, even in close proximity and especially if they are vaccinated. What is crazy is healthy people at home unable to earn money or continue with their education.

If only Mumsnet had a like button.

An article I read this morning explained that learning to live with it means accepting that most people will catch Covid several times in their lifetime, probably with a milder version each time.

I don't see where that leaves people who are clinically extremely vulnerable, though.