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She's a different person

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lostandlonelydad · 23/08/2021 13:39

Firstly, I apologise for not using many abbreviations as I'm new here, and secondly I appreciate this in mumsnet not dadsnet.

WHere do I start. We met via an online app/agency thing, exchanged messages, met, got on, got married - that the first 2 years in a sentance.
She was an accountant, who then become an FD, was earning more than me then gave up work a little under a year before our first born arrived. Absolutely no issue with that, as they have a wonderful bond and he is a great kid because of this. Three years later, and number two arrived, and she got similar amounts of love and attention. During this time, there were comments about my spending of money (and one conversation about money spent and earned before we had even met, that she resented the fact I would spend money on certain things) but thngs moved on.
She decided to start work again, but not in the same role, area or anything, but working with animals, on farms - something she has grown up with, and was a complete change of direction. Very poor pay, very long hours but she loves it.
All the while I still work, don't travel as much as I used to, which is great, but do pay 80% of my salary into a joint account that pays for everything, the other 20% pays for phone/internet/cars etc. so not much left at the end of each month.
When needed, I will help out on the farm, doing jobs, fixing things, anything that she needs, I'll stop what I'm doing and help - I don't make plans for the weekends usually, since there are too many things to do, and if she needs something, anything I may have planned gets postponed or cancelled.
We got to our 10 year anniversary, she suggested a weekend in London, watch a play/movie, take the kids, but ONLY if my credit card/bank balance would support it. So, I booked the weekend away, organised an apartment out of town so the kids could enjoy/endure a tube ride, got tickets for a show, and put it in the diary in the kitchen that is used to ensure all activities are planned/known.
She crossed it out - meaning no, we're not doing it - so I cancelled all plans, accomodation, tickets etc. To be told later that I hadn't done anything, hadn't organised etc. to which I pointed out the crossing out in the calendar - no reasonable response to that, just well, you probably can't afford it.
We argued about other odd things, an afternoon/evening after collecting the kids from school - I met a dad while collecting the kids, who told me that there were plans (I wasn't aware), and we would all be meeting at the pub, so I went there, met two other families, ordered a round of drinks, sent her a message letter her know where the kids and I were, and asked what she wanted to drink when she got there, and the reply was NO, bring them home. So, I did as requested, she then got them changed, then went out - to the pub, leaving me behind. A little later, the dad I had met came over, as he had borrowed my car for a week, and dropped it off and said - XXXX mentioned something about you having gone to the pub inspite of her....what does that mean?
Got a message later, can I take my son and his friend to cricket? Sure, take him there, but I@m really pissed off now with the odd comment, just being left out (when I got there other dads were there, but I'm not invited), anyway - roll on a few weeks..
I get negativity from her all the time - if I worked 7 days she would go mad at me - why don't I talk to HR, why do they make me do this, why the long hour, don't they care? She doesn't have those rules, and yes, she could ask for less hours and no weekends.
There is no recognition that I have sacrificed all my hobbies, sold my car, sold my 4x4, and have no friends or social life, so I am working to pay for the house as her £10/hr job doesn't quite cover any of the bills, and none of what she earns really contributes to our household costs.
Her change of lifestyle is great for her, exactly what she wants to do, and she seems happier - unless I'm in reasonable proximity - but nothing positive comes to me from her, she even told me that I don't do anything - despite every weekend being filled up with a succession of jobs inside and out, and taking care of the kids and all the dogs she has accumulated, just assumes I can do everything, but I get nothing.
We sleep in seperate rooms, which she seems more than happy about - this is because I became convinced she was having an affair, always on her phone, always messaging, never to me, never got a nice word for me, just negativity, criticism, etc. and I confronted her about it (based on having had to go through exactly the same before we met, and found out my partner had been having an affair for 3 years), so we are kind of seperated but in the same house, she even complained that the room I'm in looks more like a bedsit than just somewhere to sleep, since all my things are in there, as she had made enough comments about seeing anything of mine in the house, so I gathered all my stuff and put it in 'my room'.

So, no rules apply to her, all apply to me - she does what she wants, doesn't need to let me know, goes where she likes, and when, we will be in the living room each evening, before she goes upstairs and I go in the hell, but she's not present, as the phone is there the whole time.
I have become more and more withdrawn, less responsive, and now this is being pushed on to me as another negative - why are you so miserable all the time?? Well, I wonder - is it because I am desperately lonely? Is it because I don't know the person on the other side of this room?

I'm really proud of her, how she has completely changed her life from finance to farming, and of the stories she has from her days at work, the things she knows and can do - she's absolutely amazing, but she doesn't seem to care about me at all, no interest in my day, my feelings, thoughts, desires - none of that. There has been no intimacy in three years, nothing at all - not even holding hands or a kiss on a message..
I am so desperately lonely and unhappy, I feel utterly unappreciated (this weekend's "you don't do anything" comment really cemented that) and frankly, if it weren't for my kids, I wouldn't be here today typing this, I would have hung myself in my gym the day she told me we were separated, and she wanted the house in her name only - that very nearly killed me that day, and months of counselling has put me on a more even keel, but even now, two years later, - well, it's still in the forefront of my mind.

OP posts:
ImAddictedToMyPhone · 23/08/2021 16:57

She is clearly gas lighting you. 😔 You need to get some confidence to leave. Please leave. You will be better off.

maddening · 23/08/2021 16:58

Ps do none of her jobs, just look after the kids and she can sort her own dogs.

Notmoresugar · 23/08/2021 17:02

This is so sad.
She doesn't even like you.
She sounds horribly self-centered and controlling.
If you were my DS, I would advise you to leave her.

Winniewonka · 23/08/2021 17:06

You sound like a good man who deserves better. She has been gaslighting you for ages. From what you say it would seem that you do the majority of child care so apply for custody and the house. Let her experience what it's like without your constant support.
If folk do seem to be more sympathetic towards her if you split, put them straight. It's time to find your own voice.

EnidSpyton · 23/08/2021 17:10

This is so awfully sad, OP. You're not living, you're existing, in order to facilitate the lifestyle of your wife.

  1. She's already told you that you're separated
  2. She's put the house in her name only
  3. You sleep in separate rooms
  4. She's isolating you from your family and friends
  5. She controls how you spend the money YOU earn
  6. Everything you do is wrong and you live your life walking on eggshells
  7. Every situation she manages to twist to make it your fault

Literally everything in this list above is symptomatic of coercive control.

Look it up online.

Your partner is abusing you. This isn't ok. You need to leave, for your children's sake, as well as your own, as this is an incredibly toxic environment that is destroying all of you. You can't be the father you want to be and that your kids need you to be if you're suicidal and living a half-life.

Start getting your ducks in a row.

Mankind.org.uk is a specialised male domestic violence charity that can help you. Call their helpline, tell them your situation, and they will advise you as to what to do next.

There will inevitably be a need to split assets etc but you will need specialised advice. Once you have spoken to the helpline, you will need to get in touch with a solicitor. Don't let this put you off. The legalities of splitting will be tough but it'll be short term pain for amazing long term gain.

In the meantime start investigating housing options. Confide in a friend/family member if you feel able to, so that they can help you with the logistics. You need to get out of that house so that you can be free of her influence and start to regain your emotional freedom and strength.

I know at the moment it feels impossible and that you can't get out. Your wife has ground you down to the point where you have lost all confidence in yourself and perspective.

But you CAN leave. You don't deserve this life. You don't have to live like this. You can escape, rediscover yourself, and find happiness again.

You've taken the first incredibly brave step today by telling us on here what is happening to you. You've acknowledged that things aren't ok and are asking for help. Now you're on the journey to freedom - don't stop moving. Get on the phone to Mankind and start planning a future for yourself away from your cruel, toxic wife.

Keep us updated. We are here for you. You CAN do this.

me4real · 23/08/2021 17:15

Leave. She's using you as a doormat OP, and she won't respect you for it. If you officially act on the separation and leave, you'll feel a lot better than if/when she ends up being the one to act on dumping you.

Beautiful3 · 23/08/2021 17:16

She's isn't being nice to you. You deserve so.much better, please believe that. Book an appointment to see a solicitor and get things in order. Do not sign your house over to her, she'll share it with a new man if she remarried. That's not fair to you at all.

GetAlongWithTheVoices · 23/08/2021 17:18

Leave.

I'm a lurker on here, I read so many posts and never comment but I feel like I have to here.

You need to leave. You matter! Your thoughts and feelings matter! You deserve to be happy.

Show your children what happiness is and that they are allowed it as an adult.

If you ever feel that low and alone please think about calling the Samaritans.

DomPom47 · 23/08/2021 17:19

If you are unhappy you are no good to your kids and no good in that house. She is fully taken advantage of your good nature. Get a solicitor cut your losses and start over. In the short term she may make things more difficult for you but at least won’t feel as miserable as you do now. Make a change for your well being.

UniversalAunt · 23/08/2021 17:19

Take photos of your living conditions.
Gather together all your financial details: income, outgoings etc.
Keep a diary of events, comments etc.
Keep all of this online with strong password protection.

Book yourself an initial appointment with a solicitor specialising in family law. Tell the lawyer every thing you have said here on Mumsnet & all the incidents you have remembered once you started to keep a journal - online & password protected.

Is this affecting your health, sleep & sense of well-being?
See your GP to describe your life - all in strictest confidence.

Take your solicitor’s advice.
This situations sounds like domestic abuse & the fundamental methods are financial control, unreasonable behaviours & bullying.
Likely you can go for 50/50 childcare because you love your kids, want to be fully in their lives & bring them up well. Maybe a challenge to organise at first but by far a better way to live than how things are now.

Lightisnotwhite · 23/08/2021 17:19

@starfro

She wants you to be the one to split up with her and your failure to do that is just making her more and more miserable and horrible to you.

Leave.

This.

Set both of you free.

Hummingbird1950 · 23/08/2021 17:21

You can use the dogs to make new friends too, dog walkers tend to be a friendly bunch so get chatting or join dog obedience training or agility classes to meet new people.

Be careful what you say to people who are friends with your wife. Remember if you tell someone something, you've also by default told their partner, who might not keep your secrets.

If you've got friends from years ago who drifted because she's put a wedge between you with her controlling behaviour then make contact with them, apologize for your absence and want to meet up. If they seem amenable to restarting the friendship maybe explain you're in an abusive relationship but taking steps to get out of it, so they understand what happened and why you drifted, that it wasn't them.

Definitely start exercising for your mental and physical health, something social like a running group maybe so you've the opportunity to make friends there.

Keep up with therapy weekly. It'll help you keep perspective when she tries gaslighting you as well as providing some much needed support whilst you divorce. You can't burden new friends with all this. Mention it yes, but going on about it and needing support will likely kill any new friendships stone dead. So use the therapist for support. Phone mental health helplines if you're having a low moment. And of course there's Mumsnet, keep posting.

If you need to see the doctor about your depression then do. It may be situational, but relationship breakdown and divorce isn't a quick situation to extract yourself from. If you need medication whilst you achieve that, then take it.

Buy yourself a car, since she made you sell the last one.

It might not feel like it right now but you're in charge of your own destiny. And you're not piss poor, which will frankly make sorting out your new life easier. It's only your own legal advice you need to pay for, not hers. You've got this, and in as short as 6 months you can be in a much better situation and feeling stronger.

Whycangirlsbesonasty · 23/08/2021 17:23

Just wanted to say that you sound kind. As I tell my children, good things tend to happen to kind people so have hope that when you get out of this tough situation there are better times ahead for you - and your children.

Summerfun54321 · 23/08/2021 17:27

Leave, get your life back and create a new home for you and your kids away from this toxic woman. You deserve to be happy even if your wife doesn’t think that you do.

BadNomad · 23/08/2021 17:38

It really is ok to walk away from things that make you unhappy. Not all relationships are meant to last forever.

KikoLemons · 23/08/2021 17:40

Please leave. This is horrible. Leave - but think it through first. Think about the money and the house and how you'd want to see the kids. Think about how she'd survive, where she'd live. Think about when you had the kids where you'd live (support? space?) how you'd care for them (50/50?) - you might need to seriously cut your hours so factor that in. Maybe start to drop the hours now. Reduce your income but increase your time with the kids and your time to prepare to leave.

Go and see a good solicitor first - on your own - without her knowledge. Don't get caught out or made to be the bad guy. Then when you leave you;re clear and calm.

Then, I hope you'll be free and happy - and so will she. And you'll find someone who loves you for yourself.

AnyOldPrion · 23/08/2021 17:45

We got to our 10 year anniversary, she suggested a weekend in London, watch a play/movie, take the kids, but ONLY if my credit card/bank balance would support it. So, I booked the weekend away, organised an apartment out of town so the kids could enjoy/endure a tube ride, got tickets for a show, and put it in the diary in the kitchen that is used to ensure all activities are planned/known.
She crossed it out - meaning no, we're not doing it - so I cancelled all plans, accomodation, tickets etc.

I read this part in disbelief. Sounds like you tried to do something nice, but when she crossed it out, you didn’t even feel able to go and discuss it with her? You should feel able to go and ask and discuss something like that openly. What would she have done if you had?

MzHz · 23/08/2021 17:57

Don’t tell us you actually put the house into her name?

Get to a solicitor fast so at leas you know the options and what’s likely to happen in the event of a divorce

You’re In a living hell, she’s not only fallen out of love, she loathes you. The can’t stand to see anything of yours tells me that

You do need to split. Don’t allow yourself to be taken to the cleaners either

How much equity in the house?

You can do this. You have to. Imagine the mess it’s going to make as a role model of a relationship to your kids.

MzHz · 23/08/2021 17:58

She’s properly abusive.

Tistheseason17 · 23/08/2021 18:00

My heart broke for you reading this.
She has eroded your entire being.
Spend money on therapy to get your self back.
Then get legal advice to LTB.
Suicide is nitbthe answer- your children need you to show them what love is. Do seek out Talking Therapies and take care. It is her not you.

MilduraS · 23/08/2021 18:00

You need to leave and although it will take time to put your life back together, I don't think you'll regret it once you do.

Iputthetrampintrampoline · 23/08/2021 18:01

Please leave.this is an existance and not a way to live.Highly abusive and toxic from her.Get out as soon as and start living again,You can be an excellent parent still.

Loubiemoo · 23/08/2021 18:09

OP, you need to put yourself first. She is abusing you. Get a shit hot lawyer (SHL) and LTB (leave the bitch).

Bythemillpond · 23/08/2021 18:16

Why would she want the house in her sole name as it is a meaningless gesture as it is a marital asset anyway and on divorce it is put in the pot with everything else, pensions, cars businesses etc you both own and then the starting point is 50/50

Why are you doing things on her farm when you are separated.
Spend the time with your children and concentrate on them.

I wouldn’t buy a car atm because if you go for a divorce it just becomes another thing to be divided

I would see a good solicitor who specialises in coercive control (the house thing speaks volumes) and go for sole custody of the children with a view to ending up with 50/50 at the worse.

You are not doing you or your children any good by staying married.

If your wife wanted you to separate then give her just that and stop doing anything for her above paying the bills and cleaning the house snd looking after your children.
If she wants to spend so much time at the farm then so be it.
On no account move out.

Are you sure there isn’t someone at the farm who is more than a work colleague.
and that is why she loves her job so much.

I think she just wants you to disappear but keep paying the bills and providing childcare.

I would keep my mouth shut to anyone around you that is directly or indirectly associated with your wife.

Shadedog · 23/08/2021 18:17

Well this is awful. On the minus side your wife is horrible, she doesn’t like you, she’s abusive and she has spent years wearing you down to the point that she thinks you will put up with any old shit because you don’t deserve any better and she has socially isolated you.
On the plus side, you have a good job and are financially independent, you have two lovely kids and you are starting to see and name the problem. You are reaching out for help and that is the start of getting your life back on track.
Honestly, don’t bother “working” on this relationship. Don’t waste another day. You can’t change an abuser. You need good legal advice and you need a plan going forward to co-parent and divide assets. As you both work and both do childcare there is no reason why you couldn’t be the resident parent. It will be hard at first, you may feel worse before you feel better but one day soon you will suddenly realise you are free.

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