to support extinction rebellion - more London action tomorrow

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I am not sure what, but I have seen their previous demonstrations, and support their cause.

We were given badges at one event, and travelled home on public transport wearing them, and received absolutely nothing but 100% support from other travellers, which was nice, as I expected some hostility, publicly wearing their badges while roads in London were closed by them

I'm in the Green party, that is completely wrong.

Trans etc is never mentioned

LMAO.

I'd rather have disruption with protest now, than disruption later when society bloody collapses.

Yes, the drumming and the hippy dancing and the stickers get on my nerves. But all kinds of things need to be done to dig us out of the mess we are in, and protest, for government action, is one of them.

They were very near my place of work yesterday, and the only mess that was left in the street was by the police, and I'm pretty sure it was just because the police forgot. (I knew it was police mess because I'd see police use the objects earlier.) Almost all my work neighbours - including some who really surprised me - were supportive.

@SpittinKitten reminds me of the tactics Peta use.
I'm vegan and hate peta
Hypocritical, sexist do more harm to veganisms reputation than good.

Another group sadly who I'm associated with that I'd rather not be.

And I am not a fan of those who purport to be "leaders" of Extintion Rebellion, either - but, like any movement, the leaders can be arseholes, and the mass of people who get the real work done can be totally sound.

I had a conversation with one of the protesters yesterday, talking about how i didn't like the posturing and "lone heroics" by macho arseholes, and she agreed with me.

I know other women who are involved, and who disagree entirely with the TWAW rhetoric from those in "leadership", but - again, like other people in large organisations - they don't want to throw away a whole movement, one they have personally invested in heavily - just because those with the megaphone are clueless.

ArcheryAnnie when is society likely to collapse ?

Nothing wrong with protest. All your post proves Archery is that xr can protest without negatively impact others, but more often than not choose not to.

You should ask why that is. Also why the planet mainly needs saving in summer...but not winter.

Society will get ugly pretty quickly when the supermarket shelves are empty.

@OhWhyNot

ArcheryAnnie when is society likely to collapse ?

I dunno, and nor does David Attenborough, but he's warned it will be sooner rather than later if we don't sort ourselves out.

Societies collapse because of all sorts of things - food shortages, war, environmental disruption, natural disasters of all sorts. The climate changing is making all these things more likely, and more often.

The ones with the megaphone have the power. They lead the direction and make the changes.

I'm terms of the greens(not who this thread is about,but as a sideline) they are actively pursuing certain policies. If you don't agree with those policies you should not vote for them, as you can't later complain that you didn't know.

Saying that I understand people trying to change from the inside. But with xr the fact that they are ostentatiously selfish and damaging people presumably stops decent people joining.

I've been accused of being anti environment on this thread because I don't agree with them. Their tactics and the op and other minimising the damage they do to others mean I'll never support them unless they change. I'm vegan and a one child family. Of they are putting me off, who else is put off by them prioritising hippy musical chairs over people?

They're awful and you are never going to convince me they're effective (no achievements to their name, unlike Greenpeace) or that they aren't selfish(their protests repeatedly show this)

Yeah I am sure there's some misguided do gooders in the mix. But they seem pretty powerless so why would I support them?

All kinds of things make a mess of my work neighbourhood, including - most memorably, and most recently - organised sport. The football fans in spring terrorised my local streets, left MOUNTAINS of litter, and forced loads of local shops to shut for the days of play. I had to take the long way around in order to get home safely.

But I don't think everyone who plays sport, or watches sport, or is a fan or sport, is a problem. I know not all football fans are poorly-socialised, violent drunks who piss everywhere and don't know what a litter bin is for, but those are the ones I meet on match days.

But on this thread it seems to mean that each protester has to bear the sins of all of them, even the daft ones who glue themselves to trains, or take their tops off for no clear purpose.

@Darker

Society will get ugly pretty quickly when the supermarket shelves are empty.

Thanks for that startling insight. Where do XR fit in exactly? Giving us a preview?

I think he said when civilisations and the nature world would collapse- do you believe this?

No doubt many will suffer of changes were not made

He doesn’t go around saying billions of us shall die like XR

No, and no one is saying people being enviromental or even protesting are a problem.
Just xr who actively encourage protests that harm people. Irrelevant how well or badly protesters behave, if they have deliberately organised to stop public transport then they take responsibility for that and the negative results as a group.

The only equivalence I can see is if there was a football hooligans United group. Whose stated purpose was to disrupt etc.

Why are you defending them? There are people on this thread who lost earnings, jobs, medical appointments. An emergency services worker who says how negative they've been effected. How can you possibly, possibly defend that.

And don't give me that, "it's for your own good. Too late planet blah blah nonsense."

It's clear that xr antics don't have enough of an impact on climate change to justify hurting, yes hurting others.

I'd be interested in a list of their achievements. All I've found is they 'may' have influenced change. That's rubbish because they are taking credit for changes happening in spite of them.

And if you act like that you deserve distain.

Interested in the claim that 320 councils have signed up to climate change because of XR and what it actually means. At the moment my council is building large houses through its subsidiary (non affordable) over farmland and with huge extractions from local rivers. It has signed up to various initiatives. Id be more impressed if XR got themselves on to local councils, parish councils etc.

Acting like they are heroes because they have the privilege to take time off work and trot up to London for some facepainting.

Arseholes.

I'd rather have disruption with protest now, than disruption later when society bloody collapses.

@ArcheryAnnie and we are back to the

'I know you poor people are losing wages and can't afford your bills this month and I know that you people who need to get to medical appointments will suffer without them. But bless your hearts, you just simply don't understand we have decided its better to harm you now, so we can protect you from some future harm'

Making the vulnerable suffer now us inexcusable and I don't get how anyone can be fine with the concept that they are acceptable collateral damage.

@ArcheryAnnie

All kinds of things make a mess of my work neighbourhood, including - most memorably, and most recently - organised sport. The football fans in spring terrorised my local streets, left MOUNTAINS of litter, and forced loads of local shops to shut for the days of play. I had to take the long way around in order to get home safely.

But I don't think everyone who plays sport, or watches sport, or is a fan or sport, is a problem. I know not all football fans are poorly-socialised, violent drunks who piss everywhere and don't know what a litter bin is for, but those are the ones I meet on match days.

But on this thread it seems to mean that each protester has to bear the sins of all of them, even the daft ones who glue themselves to trains, or take their tops off for no clear purpose.

I'm opposed to the normalisation of antisocial behaviour in the name of any cause - whether it's Sport or XR protests. Of course not everyone who goes along is responsible - but they can expect the rest of us to point out that their chosen pursuit has antisocial adherents of whom we strongly disapprove - and that tarnishes the sport/cause.

OhWhyNot I’m not sure what you are asking. When sea levels rise (this is already irreversible) millions will be displaced. When extreme temperatures occur there will be crop failures and wildfires and more extreme weather. More extreme weather means more deaths from storms and floods.

XR are calling for action NOW to stop global temperatures rising further. Governments need to stop running the climate response like a bookkeeping exercise.

@Hekatestorch

I'd rather have disruption with protest now, than disruption later when society bloody collapses.

@ArcheryAnnie and we are back to the

'I know you poor people are losing wages and can't afford your bills this month and I know that you people who need to get to medical appointments will suffer without them. But bless your hearts, you just simply don't understand we have decided its better to harm you now, so we can protect you from some future harm'

Making the vulnerable suffer now us inexcusable and I don't get how anyone can be fine with the concept that they are acceptable collateral damage.

That as an assumption would work better if I wasn't on a very low income myself, didn't take public transport, and have my own medical appointments to go to.

I get my life disrupted by all sorts of things. My health (and my growing son's health) is frequently disrupted by having - due to my low income - to continue to live on a main road heaving with lone drivers too lazy, or too poorly-organised, to take public transport*. Maybe you put a bit of effort into - for example - reducing the harm from pointless and lazy car use instead of always bashing anyone trying to improve things, eh?

I'm not in extinction rebellion, but good luck to them.

(* yes, yes. some people need to drive because of mobility issues, I know. Not everyone on this main road does.)

Governments need to stop running the climate response like a bookkeeping exercise.
What the hell does that mean?
Governments tend to be elected (at least around here). Are you suggesting they should respond to unelected groups like XR?
It sounds as if you may be suggesting abandoning capitalism - which is a basic (if flawed) system underlying many governments.

Are you suggesting they should respond to unelected groups like XR?

This is a very silly statement. Governments "respond" to unelected groups all the time - including big business, media outlets, special interest groups, thinktanks, community organisations, etc etc. Citizen engagement is a necessary part of democracy, not something outside of it. And at least extinction rebellion, for all its (many) flaws, is transparent, unlike a lot of things which affect government policy.

They are not 'responding' to xr.

I mean other than policing events and clearing up after them.

What I mean is that they should be focused on what needs doing, in real terms, rather than coming up with targets that get downgraded or renegotiated. And there is no point agreeing to plant trees then opening up new oil fields and thinking that one makes up for the other.

I don’t care if it’s XR that motivates them or if it appears to them in a dream.

Without the public onside it's just idealistic nonsense anyway.
XR Will go away soon enough. Then maybe the grown ups can deal with the pressing issues.

If the grownups were dealing with climate change, XR wouldn’t exist.

I don’t see them as idealists - there may be many people within the movement who are - but a convening of diverse people who are mostly just desperate for something to be done before it’s too late.