to support extinction rebellion - more London action tomorrow

[54321nought]

I am not sure what, but I have seen their previous demonstrations, and support their cause.

We were given badges at one event, and travelled home on public transport wearing them, and received absolutely nothing but 100% support from other travellers, which was nice, as I expected some hostility, publicly wearing their badges while roads in London were closed by them

@54321nought

Once I have participated a bit more, I will start an AMA thread

Why? Do it now. You caking to know all teh ins and ours of XR.

I mean it was all wrong. But, that's just detail, I will be waiting with baited breath for when you retire and join them.

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that XR are just a front for the oil lobby. After all, they are doing so much harm to the campaign to clean up the planet.

For that matter, GPEW and SGP are absolutely useless too. Too busy fretting about pronouns to give the planet more than a passing thought. At least one of the leadership candidates for the former is proposing to bring the party back to its core purpose.

I will start an AMA thread

I doubt anyone will be interested, but at least it will keep you off the streets

@Audit

However, Foufas then accused the activist of hypocrisy.

He said: 'How can you say it's not personal. You are asking me and politicians to change my life personally, so of course it is personal.

'And if you drive a diesel, if you take a holiday that takes up 11,000 air miles and then you are asking me or asking politicians to enforce rules that make me change my life, of course I am going to say you are a hypocrite.'

Dr Bradbrook's 2019 trip to Costa Rica had a carbon footprint of 2.6 tonnes. This is a quarter of the amount that the average Briton emits in a whole year.

She posted on Facebook that her holiday was 'filled with nature and the warm sea' and sightings of exotic wildlife including iguanas and monkeys that 'smash mangoes on the roofs'.

However, she said today that she in fact flew to the sunny location because the treatment she was seeking for a health issue was 'not legal' in the UK.

So, what sort of treatment would not be legal in the UK? And isn't it funny that she can fly to Costa Rica for 'treatment' but her organization prevents people in the UK from getting to vital hospital appointments. Those appointments often being in the city they live in, you couldn't make it up! And I don't believe her story in any case. Having seen her on the news yesterday she reminded me of some religious nut job. The end is nigh;we must all repent. She actually stated that we are heading for the breakdown of civilization. But, of course, she has all the answers and is saved.

Having seen her on the news yesterday she reminded me of some religious nut job

Why do they give air time to this bunch?

No I don't support them at all like this. The cost the covid situation, the inconvenience to people trying to visit the capital with their dc, workers, the police, hospitals... The clear up and the fact the leader drives a

Deisal car.

Fuck off.

So she could afford unknown medical care in Costa Rica, but not afford to swop her diesel car.

I know people (who believe her) will say her health should come in front of car of emissions worries.

But she feels that preventing other people getting to their medical appintments is fine cause 'climate crisis'.

So other peoples health can suffer, so her group can put the environment first. But when it came to her health, she didn't put the environment first. And now still drives a car that's really bad, because her kids needs to go to their hobbies.

What about people kids who needed medical appointments?

She, also, says she got it when there was the emissions scandal and they were presented as good on emissions. So she was impacted by the emissions scandal and never spoke out on that? Or did she and I just can't find it.

XR did not speak out on Emma Thompson flying in for a celebration appearance either. Or rather I assume they didn't as I asked the question several times and no one answered.

And then people are scratching their heads asking 'why people don't think XR are the heroes of our time.'

I would live to hear how people are justifying her actions. Her ideas about consent are slightly worrying as well.

Soooo when is diesel woman stepping down?
You need to get your precious offspring to rugby in your polluting vehicle but people were prevented from being with dying relatives.
Fuck off with that.
That's why most ordinary people don't give a flying one about your vanity cause.
Costa Rica?? Hahahahaha!!!

@Lostmarbles2021

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/23/britain-commit-net-zero-drill-oil-cop26-boris-johnson-shetland

This is why ER need to keep doing what they do. Absolute stupidity and greed. It really does beggar belief. UK government on the verge of approving a new oil field. Why?

The government don’t give a shit about the people. The floods. The fires. The catastrophic situation we are leaving our kids with. Direct, shocking and disruptive action is the only rationale response in the face of what we understand about our looming extinction and the actions of our current government.

The best thing humans could do for the planet is to become extinct. It would be a shame that other animals and plants were taken with us, but in time, there would be new species adapted to the differing air composition and temperatures.

The planet would be fine.

@BelleOfTheProvince

Problem:Extinction looming. Solution: Get naked in public and play musical chairs. Is Noel Fielding writing this script? Sounds like an episode of the mighty boosh.

Ha ha. Exactly. They are a bunch of twats.

If you are interested in Dr Bradbrook read her Wiki page! Nuff said!

@LoislovesStewie

If you are interested in Dr Bradbrook read her Wiki page! Nuff said!

Wow. Just wow. Yeah, important treatment ffs.

And if you drive a diesel
Getting a bit sick of this.
It's not a simple argument - Diesels are actually better for the planet in terms of Co2 emissions. Like most things in this area, diesel cars has become a trendy fashionable thing to decry by people who have not looked at the bigger picture at all.
No one ever said driving a petrol car helped prevent global warming - or if they did they are an utter ignoramus.

Important treatment = experimenting with psychedelics.

One rule for us, another for XR members. Much like the OP.

@DynamoKev

And if you drive a diesel Getting a bit sick of this. It's not a simple argument - Diesels are actually better for the planet in terms of Co2 emissions. Like most things in this area, diesel cars has become a trendy fashionable thing to decry by people who have not looked at the bigger picture at all. No one ever said driving a petrol car helped prevent global warming - or if they did they are an utter ignoramus.

I do agree to a point. Bit it's not just the car. It's the whole situation.

Again, she claimed she bought it when diesel emissions were being advertised as green.

But never spoke out about the emissions scandal? The climate change activist didn't speak out about how people had been conned into thinking they were making the green choice?

And she can't afford to change it? Bit has money for private medical treatment in Costa Rica. Putting her own health in front of the climate crisis, while stopping other people attending their own medical appointments.

Its not just the diesel car, its the whole situation.

She is happy stopping people's kids missing medical appintments so she can protest. But also drives a car, because her kids must get to their hobby?

I don't think anyone actually cares what she drives. It the hypocrisy.

@Darker

Thing is that battery farming is cruel and horrible but it’s a separate issue from Climate change. And eating meat is also not straightforward.

When we are looking at feeding all the humans on the planet there are some places where sheep farming or similar is the optimum use of that land. Equally some crops are harmful, especially if you cut good forest down to grow it.

Very true, the mountains around here are only suitable for grazing sheep and cattle. Using livestock in the rotation of otherwise arable land helps build soil fertility organically. People bang on about the impact of livestock farming but there's a world of difference between a traditional Welsh hill farm and an American factory farm reliant on imports of feed from former Brazilian rainforest.

This current fad for almond milk is causing Californian aquifers to dry up. The same fad for soya milk is contributing to deforestation in Brazil. Palm oil is driving orangutans to extinction. Oilseed rape (mostly exported to Germany for biofuel production) consumes vast amounts of nutrients and fertilisers (some even claim that the crop is one of the main drivers of hayfever which makes me want to burn the lot).

Wool is also the most sustainable textile we have around. Synthetics leach microplastics into the food chain, cotton requires irrigation on a vast scale and is causing drought in the former USSR. Wool on the other hand is merely a byproduct these days.

This current fad for almond milk is causing Californian aquifers to dry up.
Most people who.are environmental know this and don't drink it. It also is still better for the planet than dairy. There are other plant based milks that are better.
The same fad for soya milk is contributing to deforestation in Brazil.
Wrong. the destination of the huge amounts of soy we use are for animal feed.
Palm oil is driving orangutans to extinction.
Because Malaysia is not supported to make palm oil more sustainable. The huge areas used for palm oil were originally used for cocoa and timber. (See my earlier post) Sustainable palm oil is more environmentally friendly than boycotting.
Oilseed rape (mostly exported to Germany for biofuel production) consumes vast amounts of nutrients and fertilisers (some even claim that the crop is one of the main drivers of hayfever which makes me want to burn the lot).
I have hayfever too. I put up with it. The farms round us are full of them. That's because rapeseed is not as efficient as palm oil. I assume rapeseed is the most efficient.for that climate though.

Vertical farming and other methods are being developed for food production. Environmentalists would like the land you mentioned rewilded.

Yes wool is a by product. But a woollen swimsuit etc would last five minutes then need to be replaced, compared to modern figures, creating more waste.
It is a by product of the current system which is not good for the planet. Therefore not an eco choice.

But all this is irrelevant when the supposedly best ambassadors for the environment are such awful role models.

The obvious issue to me with ER is that all its founders and leaders have failed materially at something in their lives.

Many people cannot accept failure - particularly if they have great expectations of themselves. Often, and particularly with those who are weak of character, the response is to blame the world around them. To rebel against the system. This is what attracts people to terrorism. That is why I cannot take ER seriously.

A failed farmer because it was too wet in Wales? Nonsense, look at all the other farmers and small holders who are successful.

A failed scientist whose claims the world will end in three years are ridiculed by the scientific community.

I bet all of them have renewed their passports.

Topless protest woman quoted as saying, "People don't take climate change seriously".
I'm sure her stunt will be the remedy though, not the start of a page 3 career for her.

If we wait for the ‘right’ people to come along we’ll be waiting forever.

If you want to critique leaders, look at the people who influence and make the decisions the planet.

That was meant to read ‘decisions that affect the planet’

The collateral damage of xr being dicks is people have a lot less patience for environmental issues. I've not eaten meat for years. People have become increasingly hostile since xr have been about.

@BelleOfTheProvince

Topless protest woman quoted as saying, "People don't take climate change seriously". I'm sure her stunt will be the remedy though, not the start of a page 3 career for her.

She got enough attention to be directly quoted for her message.

Yeah, I bet the men are all thinking about the environment not her boobs!

@Darker

If we wait for the ‘right’ people to come along we’ll be waiting forever.

If you want to critique leaders, look at the people who influence and make the decisions the planet.

The right people can be flawed. They just can't be hypocritical. Her excuses for needing her diesel are pathetic. Her reasons for going to Costa rica are pathetic and the sort of stuff that teenagers do. She is all that I wrong with so called action groups. Do as I say not as I do. Give up your cars, but I need mine for fucking rugby practice. Give up air travel, but I need it to go and trip on some bullshit retreat. No.