Where will the refugees coming to the UK live?

[Meeklynamechanged]

In no way a goady thread, I fully support helping the people fleeing such horrid circumstances, but genuine question.. where will they live? Where do we put people?

Where I live we have people waiting 10 years for a council property. Most areas around the UK have a huge deficit in available housing that doesn't meet demand.

With so many families stuck in overcrowded hostels and B&B's, families of 5 in 1 bed flats, I can't see where all of the required the housing will come from?

**You see the things about things being expensive but everyone gets an education is the kind of thing I was referring to really. It does come across as quite ignorant and patronising.

I do agree with what you say about the people in Afghanistan tho. And 20000 does seem very few- if the government actually do target women and children that would be great. But pretending that refugees being housed in social housing won't affect people already on the waiting list is just dishonest**

They’re not going to put all 20,000 in one area are they? I highly doubt they’ll get free reign and choice of where they fancy.

The housing list in London is what? 8/9 years long anyway…. It’s a shit situation as it is, but a few hundred people extra around the country is hardly going to have a significant impact on individual people.

It’s not a case of who has the worst life, because being forced to stay there, they clearly have the worst circumstances with zero options at all through, simply because they’re women.

@TableFlowerss

Yeah too right I do!! I'm sick of hearing folk moaning about the UK helping these poor people!

May I recommend noise cancelling headphones.

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Probably best for you, seeing as you are clearly getting into such a state over people having a different opinion to you.

[quote AngryWhompingWillow]@TableFlowerss

Yeah too right I do!! I'm sick of hearing folk moaning about the UK helping these poor people!

May I recommend noise cancelling headphones.

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Probably best for you, seeing as you are clearly getting into such a state over people having a different opinion to you.[/quote]
Awww and here we have a comedian! Round of applause for being so funny regarding a humanitarian crisis. Smart one!

They don't push anyone out of LA housing. Once they are awarded residency and a NI number they enter the system at the same points/band as others on the housing list. Contrary to popular belief they don't magically jump to the top of the housing list.

Yes the families are listed as priority need the same as any UK family with children would be. But they then sit in temp accommodation the same as other "British" families waiting for allocation. This can take years in some LA's.

If a family with a higher banding/points of British nationality entered the list they would go above the refugee family.

@TableFlowers it won't be all of the refugees in one place no, but they will almost certainly be placed in poor areas where there is already a lot of pressure on housing and other infrastructure, let's be honest they sure as shit won't be living in leafy middle class areas. Like I say, argue your point but don't dismiss the concerns of people who will be affected.

@PwySyddYma

They don't push anyone out of LA housing. Once they are awarded residency and a NI number they enter the system at the same points/band as others on the housing list. Contrary to popular belief they don't magically jump to the top of the housing list.

Yes the families are listed as priority need the same as any UK family with children would be. But they then sit in temp accommodation the same as other "British" families waiting for allocation. This can take years in some LA's.

If a family with a higher banding/points of British nationality entered the list they would go above the refugee family.

That distracts from the narrative that they get a million pounds and can chose whichever houses they want. Some would say tgey can even chose 2!

@TableFlowerss @PwySyddYma no-one is saying that are they? Jesus Christ why make up lies because they happen to suit you? Can't you just honestly debate with people without this shit?

[quote Theythinkitsalloveritisnow]**@TableFlowerss* @PwySyddYma* no-one is saying that are they? Jesus Christ why make up lies because they happen to suit you? Can't you just honestly debate with people without this shit?[/quote]
As someone who works in homeless housing and supporting families and single men and women in temporary accommodation refugees and British nationals I can assure you I'm not lying. I have quite the grasp on housing law and allocation by the LA and the points based system/priority need allocation 🤔

I mean, but yeah what would I know when I'm supporting people day in day out in front line homeless services 😂

[quote Theythinkitsalloveritisnow]**@TableFlowerss* @PwySyddYma* no-one is saying that are they? Jesus Christ why make up lies because they happen to suit you? Can't you just honestly debate with people without this shit?[/quote]
People don’t want them here because they hear that they get everything they want and go straight to the top of the queue.

Is that not a fair comment? If that’s what people think then no wonder they get annoyed.

If you want a fair and frank discussion then you have to also accept, that this is often why people are concerned. Perpetrated myth that creates division

To add- that’s what @PwySyddYma has cleared up for you as she works in the area, so knows more than the average ‘know it all’ on here

@TableFlowerss it is difficult because like it or not it does affect people in poor areas. It would be lovely if there was enough social housing for everyone in need, but there isn't and pretending that isn't the case is unhelpful and pointless, it also leads to resentment with people already living in the area. That's just how it is I'm afraid

@Theythinkitsalloveritisnow

I wouldn't waste your time if I were you.

As I said earlier, it's pointless arguing with these individuals.

[quote Theythinkitsalloveritisnow]@TableFlowerss it is difficult because like it or not it does affect people in poor areas. It would be lovely if there was enough social housing for everyone in need, but there isn't and pretending that isn't the case is unhelpful and pointless, it also leads to resentment with people already living in the area. That's just how it is I'm afraid[/quote]
Ok - so what then? Just leave them in Afghan? Because that’s ultimately what would happen….

[quote AngryWhompingWillow]@Theythinkitsalloveritisnow

I wouldn't waste your time if I were you.

As I said earlier, it's pointless arguing with these individuals.[/quote]
The ones that show compassion for people that will otherwise be killed?

Yeah cos we’re just arseholes us lot….

Many people do not understand the financial system at all, sadly

I know perfectly well how the financial system works, thanks

So now in order to justify your self-indulgent rhetoric you are resorting to pretending that money is not real, that it doesn't exist? It's the lowest of the low IMO

Also, parroting incessantly that there's enough resources in the UK to support an unlimited influx of people doesn't make it true.

It is certainly true that when the LA I worked in had a significant number of asylum seekers local people often started conversations about the number of things asylum seekers got for free.

It wasn't just social workers that had this. A friend's husband sorted out gas heating for the council and got it all day.

The thing is they were absolutely wrong no asylum seekers had a magic key that got them access to heating, housing or anything else.

Asylum seekers had an even more limited life than the locals did. Nothing has got better for either group since then. They have way more in common than locals often realize.

@PwySyddYma I work with people with a variety of mental health, addiction and housing problems. What I see here is a massive amount of need and very little money. And taking in refugees will affect these people. And I am not saying it shouldn't happen, but there needs to be honesty and a proper explanation as to how it will be made to work. Magical thinking of the " it's different housing so it won't affect anyone" is bollocks and just pointless

[quote Theythinkitsalloveritisnow]@TableFlowerss it is difficult because like it or not it does affect people in poor areas. It would be lovely if there was enough social housing for everyone in need, but there isn't and pretending that isn't the case is unhelpful and pointless, it also leads to resentment with people already living in the area. That's just how it is I'm afraid[/quote]
tableflowers but why is lack of social housing the fault of a family fleeing terror? Lack of social housing has been caused by right to buy schemes and poor investment by government. You are angry at the wrong people.

Honestly, in my experience the low income households have an increased sympathy for refugee families than middle class high earners. Because the low income families and the refugees are living the same life, temporary accommodation, low UC incomes and lack of social housing. They get to know these refugee families in local free church baby and toddler groups, the food bank, the schools. They learn their harrowing stories first hand from them, because they are physically sat in the same room as them. They share struggles and become part of that community.

People project this idea that the British low income families are against them, when in fact many low income families come from working class communities and have very welcoming attitudes towards others living the same struggles.

You are making a lot of sense AngryWhompingWillow

@PwySyddYma

They don't push anyone out of LA housing. Once they are awarded residency and a NI number they enter the system at the same points/band as others on the housing list. Contrary to popular belief they don't magically jump to the top of the housing list.

Yes the families are listed as priority need the same as any UK family with children would be. But they then sit in temp accommodation the same as other "British" families waiting for allocation. This can take years in some LA's.

If a family with a higher banding/points of British nationality entered the list they would go above the refugee family.

I just clicked on a link up thread about the help for refugee for each council. I clicked on my one and its asking people for houses. Must be self contained mo sharing facilities. Yet my daughter is in temporary after fleeing domestic violence she's at heigh risk. But yet she gives given a room with her child where she has to share kitchen and bathroom with others.

How would you even know who was an asylum seeker, and who want anyway?

but why is lack of social housing the fault of a family fleeing terror?

Nobody is saying that they are guilty of anything, just that there are not sufficient resources to go around. Why is this concept so difficult to understand for some?

Also, parroting incessantly that there's enough resources in the UK to support an unlimited influx of people doesn't make it true

Except nobody’s said that. There’s enough money to look after 20,000 without even noticing. There’d be a lot more if we didn’t have a government that insists on spending our money on unnecessary bollocks like HS2 and handing it over to their friends.

I think the last year has shown us a lot of things ARE possible even if we haven’t done them before.

@mustlovegin

You are making a lot of sense AngryWhompingWillow

Thank you.

As I say though, no point in arguing with the leftie batshittery on here.