Where will the refugees coming to the UK live?

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In no way a goady thread, I fully support helping the people fleeing such horrid circumstances, but genuine question.. where will they live? Where do we put people?

Where I live we have people waiting 10 years for a council property. Most areas around the UK have a huge deficit in available housing that doesn't meet demand.

With so many families stuck in overcrowded hostels and B&B's, families of 5 in 1 bed flats, I can't see where all of the required the housing will come from?

@LakieLady

*This country is more than able to support people living here, this country choses to prioritise the interests of the very wealthy, to sink money into vanity projects, to award over priced contracts to organisations with no experience in the work, but a Tory supporter on the Board of Directors. There’s more than enough wealth in this country to support our vulnerable communities, there’s an absolute lack of will to do it. From Boris lining the pockets of his millionaire cronies, to the folk on this board that bleat about the unfairness of giving children a lunch allowance. There is little will to make provision for the vulnerable - people don’t want to pay for schools, hospitals and social work services, they don’t want to pay for social housing, mental health provision, care for older people, if paying for those things mean their personal wealth is affected. This holds true for multi-millionaire absent property owners in London, and the middle class keyboard warrior.

The money is there, we just don’t want to spend it on people we deem “undeserving”.*

Well said, @Jellycatspyjamas, and I agree with every word.

I can see why people don’t want to pay - the more they pay the more goes in the pockets of cronies. It’s not going to go to those who need it is it? The only way to fix this is to get more ‘ordinary’ people - people who would never have dreamt of being politicians into government. Not career politicians who are groomed for it and go in to put their snouts in the trough. And keep them there until it’s empty.

I will personally happily pay far more tax than I pay now if none ( or at most only a small percentage) of it is stolen.

Like this bloody nonsense for example:
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theregister.com/AMP/2021/08/13/mckinsey_awarded_3m_8_week_contract/

@ Fandango: *That's right.

So, you arrive as an asylum seeker (like everyone we are mostly using the word refugee on this thread, but they are different). You get your emergency housing. You have 35 pounds a week so prob aren't saving much. You aren't allowed to work. You've no access to credit. One day, out of the blue - months or years later - good news! You are no longer an asylum seeker. You are a refugee. You have refuge. Oh and please get out of the home somewhere in the UK where we settled you and get a job or a benefit claim together, a deposit and a private rental within 28 days, or you'll be homeless. You've no priority at this point

It's a cruel and stupid system, and does put pressure on council waiting lists, as well as pushing refugees onto benefits and onto the streets of London. Obviously a sane transition period would make a difference. There's no conspiracy anywhere to make life nicer for refugees than for British people needing housing. They're just two differently awful systems.*

That. Precisely that. When people laugh at a system they don't even understand, I do wonder about their humanity. There is no kindness there, and certainly no humanity.

@TractorAndHeadphones. Easy fix: make sure you and everyone you know doesn't ever vote Tory. Tories have been running the UK for over ten years. Whatever we're al dealing with. Tories dealt it.

Sure bring them all over, theres plenty for everyone, food, endless amounts of cash, homes and a fantastic free for all health care system

Is what im reading.
Country is in debt can hardly substain people living here already and people think its ok to bring in others. No jobs, no money, no homes is the reality. This will cost us dearly and i dont mean cash.

Was chatting to a woman today, just randomly, both waiting around.
She mentioned how terrible it was what was happening in Afghanistan, then said that "the worse thing was that somebody has started a petition wanting to bring thousands of people here! We're full up!"
Horrible, horrible women.
How could anyone look at what's happening in Afghanistan and their first thought be "they're not coming here".

We should be trying to rescue as many as we can.

@ThymeafterThyme

FFS. They are human. Just like you aspire to be

I don't aspire to be human, I just am. Please let's try and have a sensible discussion. Would you want a man who is a stranger living in your house?

Lots of people have lodgers in a spare room and they are sometimes even ' gasp' male!!

Of course you don't have to do to, but sounding so shocked that anyone would is very odd!

[quote Doodlebug71]@TractorAndHeadphones. Easy fix: make sure you and everyone you know doesn't ever vote Tory. Tories have been running the UK for over ten years. Whatever we're al dealing with. Tories dealt it.[/quote]
I don’t - and most of my friends don’t A and they’re still there.
I don’t imagine Labour’s that much better of either - a lot of labour contracts were signed and continued under Labour governments.
Anyway we digress

@Itsmeagainandagain

Sure bring them all over, theres plenty for everyone, food, endless amounts of cash, homes and a fantastic free for all health care system

Is what im reading.
Country is in debt can hardly substain people living here already and people think its ok to bring in others. No jobs, no money, no homes is the reality. This will cost us dearly and i dont mean cash.

Agree but humanity is required in these situations sometimes.

Imagine the boot on the other foot and no country would take you in. How would you feel?

I totally see your concerns and I'm not saying we should let people in necessarily but 20,000 isn't really going to make much difference tbf. 100,000 entirely different story

@Itsmeagainandagain
Would you rather people, some of whom would have helped the British while there, were murdered by the Taliban than came here?
Genuine question?

Itsmeagainandagain

Sure bring them all over, theres plenty for everyone, food, endless amounts of cash, homes and a fantastic free for all health care system

Is what im reading.
Country is in debt can hardly substain people living here already and people think its ok to bring in others. No jobs, no money, no homes is the reality. This will cost us dearly and i dont mean cash“

Just not so.
Countries are always in debt, that’s the way western economies work. Employers are struggling to fill vacancies now. The vast majority of Afghan refugees who will be resettled under the scheme that the Home Secretary sketchily outlined today (a tiny number) will be highly educated professionals who within a short amount of time will be perfectly capable of finding their own homes in the private sector. 20,000 over the “next few years” is pitiful.

What do you mean, by “cost us dearly”?

@Itsmeagainandagain

Sure bring them all over, theres plenty for everyone, food, endless amounts of cash, homes and a fantastic free for all health care system

Is what im reading.
Country is in debt can hardly substain people living here already and people think its ok to bring in others. No jobs, no money, no homes is the reality. This will cost us dearly and i dont mean cash.

Not a single person on this thread has said anything of the sort. We are discussing problems and challenges. They are problems of distribution and management, not resources.

What we have in this country is poverty in the midst of plenty, not scarcity. That's a political creation.

Also we if don't want the impact of engaging in overseas conflicts maybe we shouldn't participate in them.

I'm not necessarily against getting involved but we have to accept that there consequences.

What we have in this country is poverty in the midst of plenty, not scarcity. That's a political creation.

This is an excellent point.

@Itsmeagainandagain

Sure bring them all over, theres plenty for everyone, food, endless amounts of cash, homes and a fantastic free for all health care system

Is what im reading.
Country is in debt can hardly substain people living here already and people think its ok to bring in others. No jobs, no money, no homes is the reality. This will cost us dearly and i dont mean cash.

There are plenty of jobs. Increasing numbers.

Most people in this country are fed.
Children have access to education.
Healthcare could do with increased investment, but that’s nothing to do with refugees.

It will cost far less than Tory crony’s have lined their pockets with.
It will cost far less than the entirely wasteful Nightingale hospitals.
It will cost far less than the ineffective track and trace system

We are spending £394 million on a space programme.
We are spending £108 billion on HS2.

Are you seriously suggesting we cannot spend sufficient to help a small number of people fleeing terror?

Can I just check out your personal contribution to the UK and how that gives you more right to safety and a future than a refugee?

@Itsmeagainandagain

Sure bring them all over, theres plenty for everyone, food, endless amounts of cash, homes and a fantastic free for all health care system

Is what im reading.
Country is in debt can hardly substain people living here already and people think its ok to bring in others. No jobs, no money, no homes is the reality. This will cost us dearly and i dont mean cash.

What do you think should happen to those people? People who have put their lives in danger to work with the British government and army.

@MrsRockAndRoll

It is disgusting to think of empty palaces/buildings owned by the RF.

It’s pretty disgusting to think of all the empty properties in major cities owned by foreign investors - and there are a lot of them.

I support refugee families in temp accommodation.

What will happen is on arrival they are "processed" I know this sounds clinical, but it's generally taking their details, security checks, and basically being accounted for. Whilst this happens they are held at a sort of "camp". They can stay here for months whilst this process is completed.

Once this has been done, they are then moved about nationally. Single men/women often find support in the bedroom scheme, families are placed in to NASS accommodation houses These are houses owned by the home office all over the country. You would never know they were a refuge family living off £80 a week whilst they await their NI numbers and Residency cards. This can take years, some families live in NASS accommodation for 5/6 years.

But here comes the harsh part.

Once they are issued residency and NI number. They literally get kicked out of the NASS accommodation in days! They then have to go to the LA where they are listed priority housing need. Again now placed in to temporary accommodation like hotels or of their lucky the LA has temporary houses again for them then they wait on the general needs tenancy list for a offer of accommodation and are eventually housed. Some go private rent yes.

Anyone thinking these families are stepping off a aircraft and in to a LA property are naive at best.

These families go through nothing but uncertainty for years. Finally seeing them honed in sustainable long term accommodation is genuinely a wonderful feeling. They are finally safe have certainty and protection.

@ISpyCobraKai

I have two spare rooms, no way would I offer them to strangers to me, who probably need a lot of help that I can't provide.

Why do you assume that a refugee would WANT or ask for your help?

These may well be professional people, vets, nurses, drs, teachers, lecturers, architects...

What they need is somewhere to live.

They don't need you to sort out the crisis in Afghanistan, be their psychiatrist, doctor, counsellor etc...

Is what im reading.
Country is in debt can hardly substain people living here already and people think its ok to bring in others. No jobs, no money, no homes is the reality. This will cost us dearly and i dont mean cash“

We’d be able to sustain ourselves perfectly well if we weren’t spunking billions on HS2, track and trace, trident, etc etc. The issue isn’t lack of resources, it’s lack of will.

22:31WiddlinDiddlin

ISpyCobraKai

"I have two spare rooms, no way would I offer them to strangers to me, who probably need a lot of help that I can't provide."

Why do you assume that a refugee would WANT or ask for your help?

These may well be professional people, vets, nurses, drs, teachers, lecturers, architects...

What they need is somewhere to live.

They don't need you to sort out the crisis in Afghanistan, be their psychiatrist, doctor, counsellor etc...
...

There's a great thread on this at:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/AMA/4326405-I-have-hosted-many-Afghan-refugees-in-my-spare-room-and-will-continue-to-offer-it-AMA

@LemonRoses - brilliant post.

@Sarahlou63

*To whom?

Are most of the refugees from Afghanistan male?*

FFS. They are human. Just like you aspire to be.

Well said

Are you seriously suggesting we cannot spend sufficient to help a small number of people fleeing terror?

Of course we can - especially given they the situation they’re fleeing is because we waged a 20 year war, costing God knows what, in their country.

There are plenty of jobs. Increasing numbers.

Most people in this country are fed.
Children have access to education.
Healthcare could do with increased investment, but that’s nothing to do with refugees.

It will cost far less than Tory crony’s have lined their pockets with.
It will cost far less than the entirely wasteful Nightingale hospitals.
It will cost far less than the ineffective track and trace system

We are spending £394 million on a space programme.
We are spending £108 billion on HS2.

Are you seriously suggesting we cannot spend sufficient to help a small number of people fleeing terror?

Can I just check out your personal contribution to the UK and how that gives you more right to safety and a future than a refugee?

I agree with all of this. How anybody could hold views like those of the PP you replied to is beyond me. Bitterness and bedgurdging people being given refuge from terror, many of whom have lived through trauma nobody in this country can imagine? Baffling.

@Kidsteens I just want to acknowledge your posts because so many people seem to be ignoring them- maybe inconvenient? The conditions you are living in are fucking appalling. And all the posters handwringing will move on from the refugee problem as well, in about a week . This is the nasty side of Mumsnet, a middle class mummy bubble and total indifference to the people living in poverty in the UK. I mean the poster who thought you shouldn't have posted the picture of the rat because it was upsetting . Clueless. And they congratulate themselves on their empathy

@Kendodd

Was chatting to a woman today, just randomly, both waiting around. She mentioned how terrible it was what was happening in Afghanistan, then said that "the worse thing was that somebody has started a petition wanting to bring thousands of people here! We're full up!" Horrible, horrible women. How could anyone look at what's happening in Afghanistan and their first thought be "they're not coming here".

We should be trying to rescue as many as we can.

I know, what would cross peoples mind to think oh don't try and help? I don't get it. Pure selfish, linear patriarchal thinking.