Where will the refugees coming to the UK live?

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In no way a goady thread, I fully support helping the people fleeing such horrid circumstances, but genuine question.. where will they live? Where do we put people?

Where I live we have people waiting 10 years for a council property. Most areas around the UK have a huge deficit in available housing that doesn't meet demand.

With so many families stuck in overcrowded hostels and B&B's, families of 5 in 1 bed flats, I can't see where all of the required the housing will come from?

Yes, if this was a Labour led government talking about ' only ' 20,000 people they would be pulled apart at the seams.

So why are there so many destitute and homeless people in the UK then? If it's THAT easy to just take in an extra 20,000 people!

Because we’re into our 12th year of successive Tory governments that spend billions on rubbish like new railways while simultaneously cutting the money that’s spent on improving ordinary people’s lives.

if Britain was inviting in millions, or evens hundreds of thousands of refugees, then fine. But 20,000 people? It's TINY

Isn't that what was said about incomers expected from eastern europe? And that's without the issue that countless thousands of undocumented migrants may all try to claim they're from Afghanistan if they think it offers a better chance of staying

As for suggestions that taking in our own homeless isn't the same because they've not been fully checked out, give me a break ... does anyone seriously think the Afghans will be?

@Firstbornunicorn

I’ve volunteered my spare room. I imagine a lot of people will do the same.

Your braver than I am. As a lone woman I am not prepared to share my home with an Afghan male of fighting age.

@pencreed you are wonderful - you do more than most people - yes, including me.

@wordsareveryunnecessary

Sensitive topic. I have members of my family waiting for housing and immigrants have been housed before them. There is also a shortage of flats for pensioners for the same reason.. We are "City of refuge" and the people who have lived here and paid their taxes are now waiting a lot longer

My family have been in temporary accommodation for over 3 years we have been moved we are in our 3rd temporary now and we are going to have to move to a 4th. When I bid I come in at anything between 115 and 220. It would not be so bad if they were put on the list and bid like the rest of us. Yes they are coming from a bad place. If its really that bad then a hostel /temporary accommodation should be good enough as it has to be for us.

@the80sweregreat

Not everyone contributes though do they? Many end up on benefits even if they can work. For every person who is now in a high flying job there are many others living on the state . This money has to come from somewhere too and post a pandemic with zillions of pounds in debt already it'll be the young who will pick up the shortfalls :( Plus there won't be a proper discussion about any of this as anyone expressing concerns are shut down as being racist or bigots when we can already see things falling apart as it is. Read any thread about our young people trying to access mental health support in schools and it's always ' lack of funds ' , which will be found to help others ; no wonder people are angry, yet we are called names if we ask questions about how it'll all be funded or where they will all live etc .

But the net effect is migrants contribute more to Britain than they take.

@ISpyCobraKai

I have two spare rooms, no way would I offer them to strangers to me, who probably need a lot of help that I can't provide.

Relax, it's never going to be compulsory.

Can we maybe stop continually voting for governments who are the actual reason we have issues with housing, the NHS etc if this is the perceived barrier to being able to take in some of the desperate people in the world? Don't say 'oh but housing and the NHS' and then vote for parties who are exacerbating those issues?

Absolute massive bravo to people who offer their homes to people in need. Your kindness is everything.

@mustlovegin

About 1,200 medically qualified refugees

Are qualifications equivalent? Another risk we would introduce

That's why medically qualified refugees have to redo their qualifications. That is a piece of scaremongering.

As a lone woman I am not prepared to share my home with an Afghan male of fighting age

Very wise of you, especially if there was no real way of knowing who they are

Of course you could always offer to house an "unaccompanied child", but if past experience is anything to go by there's every chance you'd end up with a hulking 25 year old claiming to be 14

@StopGo would you take a woman? A mother and baby?

@Blossomtoes

So why are there so many destitute and homeless people in the UK then? If it's THAT easy to just take in an extra 20,000 people!

Because we’re into our 12th year of successive Tory governments that spend billions on rubbish like new railways while simultaneously cutting the money that’s spent on improving ordinary people’s lives.

Yes to this. People need to realise it's a choice on the part of the government not to sort these issues out. Not "can't" but "won't". If people would only learn to stop voting bloody Tory we might see a change.

This thread completely fills the bingo card.

[quote worstofbothworlds]@StopGo would you take a woman? A mother and baby?[/quote]
If she was a woman on her own with a child and no man was suddenly going to appear then I think I would.

@Puzzledandpissedoff I agree re the very mature men claiming to be children.

@AtticusHoysAnus

Exactly! Most virtue signallers and “holier than thou” posters aren’t from highly populated areas with not enough schools, GP surgeries, poor transport and roads etc. Schools also have very high EAL intakes and not enough interpreters. The North West share of the overall UK asylum population is 21.4%. That’s a very high population. Why aren’t asylum seekers evenly spread out to Southern counties or other UK countries?

I'll tell you why, because the people you mention are also nimbys.

We need more housing!!!! Just not in my area.
We need solar and wind farms!!!!!! But not in my area.

So yeah they'll be wailing about how we should re-home all these refugees but they won't want to fucking see them.
Dick heads.

I live in a town that has grown considerably over the last couple of decades. New housing being built all over the place. Most of that housing on brownfield sites, but some on allegedly protected sites.

There's a wind farm very visible from the top of the road I live on. I use visibility of that wind farm (amongst other landmarks) to check on weather conditions when I'm out walking.

Asylum seekers: 5000 in the first year (if those 5000 are lucky. I'm guessing there will be considerably less). So for each town, that's one person or one family. I don't mind helping refugees. The ones I've met are hard-working people who just want a quiet life, and to raise their children in peace. Just like the rest of us.

The only people I see and hear complaining about refugees are the ones who don't want to help, or are convinced that the UK is somehow going to be invaded. You sound like one of them.

This thread is full of communists.

I can't see how preventing people owning a second home prevents others from being homeless.

Seriously, nobody should feel bad because they don't want to play host to refugees...

@the80sweregreat Not everyone contributes though do they? Many end up on benefits even if they can work. Anyone claiming benefits has to live and work in the UK for 5 years before any claim can be made. If wages are so low that people need to claim benefits to live, that's a politics issue again (Tory govt made zero-hour contracts a thing, so that people don't have stability....)

Refugees and asylum seekers receive 37 quid a week in vouchers, to be spent on specific food items. They are placed in shared accommodation, and end up vilified by people like you, citing right-wing tropes.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

As a lone woman I am not prepared to share my home with an Afghan male of fighting age

Very wise of you, especially if there was no real way of knowing who they are

Of course you could always offer to house an "unaccompanied child", but if past experience is anything to go by there's every chance you'd end up with a hulking 25 year old claiming to be 14

Do you have specific, non-anecdotal evidence of "hulking 25 year old claiming to be 14" ? That would appear to be yet another right-wing/Farage lie aimed at whipping up hysteria amongst the gullible.

This thread will be an interesting recap in a year or two, to see how many people who said they would actually did offer a spare room. L

The pit in more than take out argument is always pretty dodgy.

First, a household that earns more than about 30k is a net contributor, once everything is costed in. So of course some immigrant families meet that, but many dont.

Secondly, a society is about more than economic units. The fact that Family X is "putting in 3% more than the average British family" means bigger all in towns where schools/GPs/ housing etc etc are vastly oversubscribed.

Do you have specific, non-anecdotal evidence of "hulking 25 year old claiming to be 14" ? That would appear to be yet another right-wing/Farage lie aimed at whipping up hysteria amongst the gullible.

metro.co.uk/2020/10/26/home-office-urgently-investigating-reports-that-schoolboy-resembles-40-year-old-man-13484085/

The uncensored picture is also available but even pixelated you can tell that is a male adult and not a boy.

I can't see how preventing people owning a second home prevents others from being homeless

Can’t you? I’m not sure I’d want to own up to that.

I'd love you to explain it to me @Blossomtoes

@supermoonrising

The pit in more than take out argument is always pretty dodgy.

First, a household that earns more than about 30k is a net contributor, once everything is costed in. So of course some immigrant families meet that, but many dont.

Secondly, a society is about more than economic units. The fact that Family X is "putting in 3% more than the average British family" means bigger all in towns where schools/GPs/ housing etc etc are vastly oversubscribed.

So we should we believe you over The Economist?

Er, no