Where will the refugees coming to the UK live?

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In no way a goady thread, I fully support helping the people fleeing such horrid circumstances, but genuine question.. where will they live? Where do we put people?

Where I live we have people waiting 10 years for a council property. Most areas around the UK have a huge deficit in available housing that doesn't meet demand.

With so many families stuck in overcrowded hostels and B&B's, families of 5 in 1 bed flats, I can't see where all of the required the housing will come from?

@SeoultoSeoul

whammyyammy Why is pushing housing prices up even higher a Win, Win? I genuinely don't understand that?

Win win, refugees receive sanctuary in a secure home, in a welcoming country with employment opportunities left open from brexit, and current house prices increase which is good for homeowners and economy

@Firstbornunicorn

I’ve volunteered my spare room. I imagine a lot of people will do the same.

No they won't.

We have streets upon streets of boarded up abandoned council houses near me that have been left to ruin.

I truly believe there is some level existing infrastructure - Britain’s one pound houses? However that shouldn’t be solely for refugees when we have families living in b and b’s. Beyond that though, I have no clue.

Morning, @AngryWhompingWillow!
May I say how young you look this morning.
I quite mistook you for a teenager!

My sons both work , born and brought up in the UK and can't afford to buy anything and we don't live anywhere ' posh ' : pushing up house prices certainly won't help them to ever buy anything. I know it's a whole other thread, but the effects of helping these people goes far wider than just being able to home or help them.
Plus where is the money coming from after the affects of covid start kicking in too?
Someone has to fund all this and hard stretched councils will just keep on putting the council taxes up.

@Maireas

Morning, *@AngryWhompingWillow*! May I say how young you look this morning. I quite mistook you for a teenager!

😂😂😂

I bet everyone saying it's a win win do not live in areas that are already overcrowded or run down with a lack of infrastructure already!

@ferretface

Meanwhile London is stuffed full of expensive, empty investment properties which contributes to the domestic housing shortage. We should stop courting billionaires and tax exiles and build houses for normal people to live in.

To be honest, this is exactly it... I can see why people question where the hell are all these people going to go? I myself have thought the same thing, but of course we should be helping refugees who really need help, our anger in terms of housing should be towards the government and the ability for people to invent in property from abroad. As you say, London has whole blocks of flats that are completely empty, there are many streets in central London that are completely empty where the owners don't live in this country and they don't even rent them out (I know this first hand through work)

www.bigissue.com/latest/how-many-empty-homes-are-there-in-the-uk/

This makes a very interesting read.

Plus where is the money coming from after the affects of covid start kicking in too?
Someone has to fund all this and hard stretched councils will just keep on putting the council taxes up

^This. It's very easy to be charitable with somebody else's money

I think Priti Patel is saying that with the complete knowledge that we're highly unlikely to be able to bring that many Afghan interpreters here. The Airport is now surrounded and controlled by the Taliban. Anyone who worked with the UK military are now in hiding and too frightened to go to the airport. How many more flights are we going to achieve before the Airport is completely closed by the Taliban.

@Maireas

About 5.6m EU nationals have applied to stay following Brexit. The vast majority (5m) want to stay in England. Decent housing for anyone living here has to be available, and the social housing stock is badly depleted. The waiting lists for social housing are long everywhere.

I have a few dozen friends who had to apply to stay. They already live here. In their own homes, bought with their own money, to raise their families in. The only reason they've had to spend their valuable time and money applying to stay in the homes they bought and live in is Brexit. That, and the Tory government's nasty rule changing. "Nothing will change".... "Right, if you want to stay, you have to apply to stay."

The waiting lists in England are horribly long, and a result of Tory government policy. There's no point musing about what any other party would have done, because the mess is squarely on the shoulders of the Tory party.

The refugees: I've just watched Johnson say there will be up to 5000 in the first year. Which probably means they'll try to whittle that down to a few dozen at most. Bastards.

I'm going to see what we can do to help. We don't have a spare room, but I'm guessing that anyone arriving from Kabul to the UK is going to feel cold, as well as considerable culture shock. I'm off to check those links, and see what can be done. (Yes, I do already support UK charities, in various ways, so I'm guessing there will be something I can do to help).

millions of homeless on the streets of Britain many ex Army. I don't see anyone offering spare rooms to them

Yes, perhaps not millions, but there are many British who are homeless, you can see it in London. It's outrageous when any of them are ex Army

Property prices will increase, there isn't much saleable or rentable properties as it is, put a demand in for minimu 5000 homes at once, watch it rocket .

The government will have to find the funds, this will be by higher taxes, cuts to services or both.

Nothing you we can do, but accept it

I think there are a lot of bleeding heart liberal do gooders on this thread who think that every refugee coming to the U.K. is a Guardian reader in disguise. They will bring a whole raft of problematic cultural views with them- the idea that somehow that women will seamlessly transition into modern Western lifestyle - or that the men will let them - is laughable, as is the idea that they will be happy in some random town and put up with whatever they are given with some forelock tugging. They’ll move to London as soon as they are able and it will take generations before they leave their cultural views behind. And that’s before you deal with any trauma refugees have because of the whole “fleeing a war zone” thing.

I think anyone volunteering their spare room is frankly crazy. I can’t think of a single instance where large scale refugee resettlement has gone well in this country and I have no faith that this will be any different.

Can you imagine Taylor Wimpey or Persimmon homes building affordable housing for people ? I do not think so

Dazzle, well said.
I know you'll be flamed.
Let America take them in. Will they ?

@StoneofDestiny

775 rooms in Buckingham Palace alone surrounded by 40 acres! The royals are the biggest owners of multiple unoccupied homes in the UK, the majority of which are owned by us, heated and staffed all year round even when empty. Scandalous. Not sure why we keep hearing about ‘second home owners’ with private, non taxpayer funded properties, when these giant ‘council houses’ exist.

Heated is a very loose term in Buckinham Palace! I experienced an onl-fashioned 30bar electric heater trying it's best to heat a very large room. And that was only on because of an event.

So this is the new Mumsnet 'I'm a better person than you' thread.

First it was 'Brexiteers' vs 'Remoaners' then we had the vaccinated vs the un-vaccinated and now its people who volunteer to give up their spare room to a refugee criticising people who won't.

I didn't see this coming, I thought the next bun-fight would be about the environment. Something like vegan recyclers vs mass consumers etc

Whammyyammy
Well yes, that's good if you are a homeowner, not so great if you are a young family/person saving for a deposit.
We need more decent affordable housing, not more 4 bed detached houses.

Doodlebug71 same. All the EU nationals I know applying to stay are professionals- doctors, social workers, solicitors. Home owners already with good jobs etc.

@Feelingoktoday
I've got an excellent idea of how the system works.
@poshme where did I say that everyone who was on the housing list doesn't/ hasn't worked? Are you suggesting that there is no one who falls into this category?
I stand by my statement that I'd rather a house when to a refugee fleeing persecution than some one who has never made an attempt to find employment or give anything back to this county.

@Firstbornunicorn

I’ve volunteered my spare room. I imagine a lot of people will do the same.

I would do this. Anyone have details?

I think there are a lot of bleeding heart liberal do gooders on this thread who think that every refugee coming to the U.K. is a Guardian reader in disguise

Yes, a mix of gullible clueless theorists and some Bolsheviks sprouting too

@DazzlePaintedBattlePants well said.