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Where will the refugees coming to the UK live?

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Meeklynamechanged · 17/08/2021 22:16

In no way a goady thread, I fully support helping the people fleeing such horrid circumstances, but genuine question.. where will they live? Where do we put people?

Where I live we have people waiting 10 years for a council property. Most areas around the UK have a huge deficit in available housing that doesn't meet demand.

With so many families stuck in overcrowded hostels and B&B's, families of 5 in 1 bed flats, I can't see where all of the required the housing will come from?

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gardeninggirl68 · 18/08/2021 09:23

@Awwlookatmybabyspider true! Neither do I

Happy to take in a male afghan refugee into your spare room and family but not a homeless male off the u.k streets .....

And all the sudden ideas about where to house..... why aren't these places made habitable and available for the massive lists of people on waiting lists here?

Why wait until there's s as crisis?

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 18/08/2021 09:23

Well perhaps millions is a bit of an exaggeration. However, even once person being homeless is one too many in 21st Century Britain

thereisonlyoneofme · 18/08/2021 09:25

Most councils have refused to take in the channel migrants, so Kent has borne the brunt. I assume it will be made mandatory for them to take people in.

gardeninggirl68 · 18/08/2021 09:26

@Bunnyfuller
Er, those people will STILL need to live somewhere as well..... you can't kick people out of council or HA housing because they are now earning more or whatever reason, and then move Afghan families in!!

Resentment would build VERY quickly at the minimum

burritofan · 18/08/2021 09:27

For those talking about giving a spare room to a refugee, my friend did this a few years ago and wrote about the experience. It’s not a case of signing up and a stranger lands on your doorstep – you’re introduced first:

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/may/13/i-gave-a-room-in-my-house-to-a-refugee-now-shes-like-my-sister

Qwerty789 · 18/08/2021 09:33

@Awwlookatmybabyspider

Well perhaps millions is a bit of an exaggeration. However, even once person being homeless is one too many in 21st Century Britain
A bit? more like an insane exaggeration. There will always be homeless people, a good proportion of those who sleep on the streets choose not to take up hostel beds or similar.
SeoultoSeoul · 18/08/2021 09:35

Ffreny1
Yes, I'm not far from Hale Barns and know several million pound plus houses that have been snapped up by people fleeing Hong Kong.There are already establishing businesses and integrating into their communities too.

boniobiscuit · 18/08/2021 09:35

@Meeklynamechanged

In no way a goady thread, I fully support helping the people fleeing such horrid circumstances, but genuine question.. where will they live? Where do we put people?

Where I live we have people waiting 10 years for a council property. Most areas around the UK have a huge deficit in available housing that doesn't meet demand.

With so many families stuck in overcrowded hostels and B&B's, families of 5 in 1 bed flats, I can't see where all of the required the housing will come from?

Simply, somewhere safer than where there are now.
gardeninggirl68 · 18/08/2021 09:42

There's health and safety rules and regs. You cant put 5 Afghan people in a 1 bed flat simply because it's 'safety'.... same as you wouldn't with any family already here

MistySkiesAfterRain · 18/08/2021 09:44

As PP said unfortunately the climate crisis is hurtling down the track to us. This is our - everyone's - problem because on the current trajectory sea levels could rise anywhere between 2m and 20m. A 15m rise in sea levels would see major UK coastal cities obliterated. How we act now matters in all areas. It could just as easily be us in future.

Crikeyalmighty · 18/08/2021 09:47

It’s all well saying a million have left to go back to EU (we are British and have moved to EU last year) many of those people were younger house sharers or families in good jobs renting nice private houses - the fact is whether it’s renting a room or a house, if it’s private sector their are so many hoops to jump through to rent privately I doubt that’s going to be an option- so they need to look at the areas where apparently no one wants to live and there are few lists (there are some apparently) or as people have said above start converting and reclaiming empty office space- personally I think that’s a better solution because if we want people to integrate they need facilities and possible jobs and it’s more likely in London, Manchester, Birmingham etc than it is in the arse end of nowhere

TyneView · 18/08/2021 09:47

@Twatterati

I volunteer for a charity that supports refugees and asylum seekers once they arrive in the UK.

You'd be horrified if you saw the state of the housing they are placed in. Honestly, it is horrendous, they are often barely habitable. Remember also that these poor souls arrive with nothing - all their furniture, clothing, kitchen utensils, bedding etc etc are ones that have been donated. The complete lack of provision is shocking.

Many, many asylum seekers/refugees are re-located to the centre of one of our grimmest, poorest and most rundown cities as that is where the housing is cheapest in the country. Families are placed in HMOs, sharing bathroom and kitchen facilities with other families, or in desperately neglected and rundown homes. These places are filthy to begin with and don't improve with overcrowding.

The parent(s) are so often just shells of themselves, having seen such tragedy in their home country. The journey is horrendous and many families are torn apart and broken before even making the trip.

What I can't emphasise enough is that the reality is NOT what the media would lead us to believe. They DO NOT get amazing housing, loads of benefits etc. The 'normal' rules don't apply, they don't jump the queue, they are living below the poverty line and applications for their leave to remain can take YEARS. They rely on food donations, food banks, charities and kind hearted neighbours to just survive. Mental health suffers because they're so isolated (as they're not permitted to find employment until they have leave to remain) and many do voluntary work themselves just to get out the house.

As a nation, we should actually be embarrassed and ashamed at the 'refuge' we provide as it isn't even the bare minimum. No one is anywhere near living the life of Riley. Far, far from it.

I agree with all of that, my profession includes a role with refugees. When Syrian refugees came to our locality there was a decision taken not to use council houses at all for fear of the comeback from some local people. Refugees were housed with private landlords who volunteered their properties at a lower than market value 'capped' rate, paid for by the Home Office via the council.

Refugee status for Syrian families is time limited. They are expected to rebuild their own lives and within five years, if their country is safe, return to rebuild that too.

Locally, due to Brexit we have real issues with jobs. A perfect storm our council leader stated..a much more busy tourist area due to people holidaying in the Uk and many EU workers having returned. Not enough people working in hospitality and a huge knock on is that the local authority can't staff care facilities. There are so many vacancies.
Perhaps the refugee community will support us, rebuilding a workforce.

54321nought · 18/08/2021 09:50

It could just as easily be us in future.

Exactly. Anyone in the world would become a refugee if they lived long enough

ThreeWitches · 18/08/2021 09:56

[quote poshme]@DancingQueen85 why do you think people on the housing list haven't/aren't working? What a bizarre thing to say. [/quote]
This.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 18/08/2021 09:57

@ferretface

Meanwhile London is stuffed full of expensive, empty investment properties which contributes to the domestic housing shortage. We should stop courting billionaires and tax exiles and build houses for normal people to live in.
THIS ^
ThreeWitches · 18/08/2021 10:00

[quote gardeninggirl68]@Bunnyfuller
Er, those people will STILL need to live somewhere as well..... you can't kick people out of council or HA housing because they are now earning more or whatever reason, and then move Afghan families in!!

Resentment would build VERY quickly at the minimum [/quote]
And this.

SuzyDaarling · 18/08/2021 10:02

Considering you acknowledge British families would not agree to living like this, why on earth do you think Afghan families would? It's an incredibly racist notion that it's ok for an Afghan family to live 5 to a 1-bed house but not a British family.

Because in extreme circumstances sometimes there’s no choice. It’s not a matter of not liking where you live if your only other option is facing the rest of your life under the Taliban.

Whammyyammy · 18/08/2021 10:02

Refuges are certainly welcome. Plenty if jobs available in the UK too, and the extra demand for housing will push property prices up enough higher. WIN WIN

Whammyyammy · 18/08/2021 10:05

*refrugees

DuncinToffee · 18/08/2021 10:07

Manchester is housing refugees arriving at Birmingham airport soon

Care4Calais @Care4Calais
We have just been informed that Afghan refugees will soon be housed in two hotels in Manchester. Our Manchester volunteers are gearing up to meet them but they need your support. Please support our fundraiser to buy the basic essentials they will need: t.co/NE9Ah2po1x

emuloc · 18/08/2021 10:07

@StoneofDestiny

Buckingham Palace, Sandringham, Windsor, Balmoral, Kensington Palace etc etc - loads of spare rooms that lie empty most of the year. A great use for them
This. How this family could sit on so much wealth and property while so many are homeless in this country is a disgrace. They should be helping people.
SeoultoSeoul · 18/08/2021 10:08

whammyyammy
Why is pushing housing prices up even higher a Win, Win? I genuinely don't understand that?

DuncinToffee · 18/08/2021 10:10

At the moment we are talking about 5,000 able to come this year, 5,000

Maireas · 18/08/2021 10:10

I think they some people benefit from a property boom, @SeoultoSeoul

Maireas · 18/08/2021 10:12

Priti Patel announced this morning that she's doubling the number of interpreters allowed in to 10k